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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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You can buy tasers at the gun show at the cow palace.
i bought two for the face lift, just in case...
were campin with fatty, right?
i don't want him breaking into my weed at night.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Blue not sure what my logic on that one was. just bringing up the fact that the legal drugs/booze are pretty darn brutal.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2010 - 02:38pm PT
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just bringing up the fact that the legal drugs/booze are pretty darn brutal.
They can be. They are even deadly. But so can water if drunk in mass quantities.
Everything in moderation. Especially the toxins!
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Gene
Social climber
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Let's see. Going north to south....
North America
South America
Central America
Bluey,
You are a genius.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Intersting that tobaco and alcohol are both more deadly in long term use than heroin....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2010 - 03:02pm PT
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Intersting that tobaco and alcohol are both more deadly in long term use than heroin....
That is a fact!
Heroin does not really impair judgement, except for the nodding off, and doesn't implicity induce cancer.
Good point. And awesome drug...just kills off your nerve endings. So ya can't feel anymore.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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remember ol blu, that toe is on the Outside.
so thats the first toe to get whacked.
can you post a pic of that sucker?
it's national injury day at the taco, did you see that fish hook?
sheist!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Not suggesting that it would be a good idea to get our mainstream populance hooked on smack but at the same time it is absurd to put people in jail who really need rehab and mental health care.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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and the most monagamous relationship they will ever be in, with bubba,
biggggg bubba,
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Juan Maderita
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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They get drug counseling in jail. That is mostly myth (referring to County jails).
In the CDCR (California) prisons, some inmates get 12-Step self-help support groups, voluntarily, and only if they request it. There are some treatment programs, but the parolees whom I have counseled said that it was not available to them or not available in their facility.
Intersting that tobaco and alcohol are both more deadly in long term use than heroin.... In total numbers, yes, alcohol and tobacco take a greater toll. That is not a case for heroin being safer than alcohol and tobacco!
Heroin addicts don't seem to live long. In addition to HIV, Hepatitis B&C, there are blood infections from dirty needles. Heroin is stepped on/cut several times to a fraction of it's purity. When the addict gets a strong batch, it's an overdose. The big killer seems to be when an addict is abstinent for a period of time and then relapses. Their tolerance has diminished. Injecting their former dose is an immediate and deadly OD.
Oh, and then there are the ones who are getting methadone maintenance and continue to abuse H, another setup for an OD. There is the tendency to abuse every other narcotic, including Oxy. That's quite deadly when mixed with alcohol.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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The people this guy studied were long term heroin users. He stated quite clearly that the long term heroin use in and of itself was not what was killing them. they were dying from liver and kidny failuer from drinking their brains out as well as heart related failures brought on by tobacco and alchohol. Not saying that heroin is good for you. Just repeteing this guys observation that alcohol is super bad when abused.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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anxiety is what all the ex junkies talk about.
keeping a steady flow of heroin coming in can be tough, especially if you are moving around a lot,
and if you run out for just one day, bad news,
have to hit the bottle Hard until you can score.
post traumatic score syndrome. thats why you drink after kicking the big H.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Fatty said They get drug counseling in jail.
Man, you are really out of touch.
And bluey there is nothing "heating up" about the situation in Mexico. It's been red, red hot for a long time now. Also, prohibition was proven ineffective nearly 100 years ago. We are just reproving it. And if you really think that drugs aren't a major source of income for those cartels then you're missing the whole reason that there is so much violence south of the border to begin with.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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What a sad world bluering lives in. Terrified of, in no particular order: Democrats. Socialists. Communists. Marxists. Hugo Chavez. Mexicans. Muslims. Non-Christians. And on and on. Essentially, anyone who isn't an American of the variety that he prefers.
That part of the Republican strategery that counts on keeping people frightened works too well at times. Pretty pathetic, a strategy based largely on fear, greed, and plutocratic populism.
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Papillon Rendre
climber
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MH:
Silly me, I thought you were discussing the social and political landscape of Kansas, and pondered momentarily why you left out "gay".
-PR
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Coz, don't be disheartened. The people you're trying to convince here are only willing to listen to opinions that support their POV, despite any evidence to the contrary.
Funny thing is that when drugs are decriminalized and available through the gov't, junkies generally get well. They don't have the crap that's used to cut the drugs floating around in their veins, they don't have to steal to get the drugs, and they get counseling, all of which reduce the cost to the taxpayer. Bingo, billions of dollars saved, thousands of lives saved, narcoterrorists out of jobs, a whole arm of the gov't out of business. (hey, isn't that one of the big points the Republicans want- less gov't?).
Let the geographically challenged, myopic trolls have their little party. They'll soon tire of it.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Do they have jobs now? The gov't programs I'm aware of give the drugs to the addicts, so they don't have to beg/steal. And it's much cheaper than the crap offered on the street anyway.
What's the incentive for them to stop? They eventually decide it's no way to live. That comes through maturity and/or counseling. Most junkies would stop if they could if they've been doing it for any length of time. Of course there will be those who won't, but that's a small percentage of them.
As a whole, providing free, pure drugs and counseling to those who want it is hugely cheaper than waging a non-productive war on the problem. Of course the drug companies probably would not want that because it will cut into their profits.
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Papillon Rendre
climber
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Coz:
In theory your logic is spot on, but one problem with having these "drugs" more accessible could potentially lead to increased "hard" drug use among our youth.
Legalizing heroin and cocaine could open up a Pandora's Box that we are unable to close, and lead to more severe consequences here in the USA.
-PR
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Papillon Rendre
climber
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Tami:
I do not have scientific data, but I am making an observation based on the mentality of some of our youth. They're curious, lack experience and they do experiment.
The examples you have used are indeed extreme.
It seems as if each generation finds some new drug of choice.
Just glad mine was grass roots.
-PR
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dirtbag
climber
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Coz, don't be disheartened. The people you're trying to convince here are only willing to listen to opinions that support their POV, despite any evidence to the contrary
Pot, I made up my mind long ago should be legalized.
I'm actually pretty open minded about other "harder" drugs. I tend to fall slightly into the "keep it illegal" camp but I can definitely be persuaded to switch because the keep it illegal viewpoint isn't working all that great.
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