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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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I as well want to extend my thanks to you and your crew Jesse. Anyone who saves a life and picks some trash up after the fact Kick's Ass in my opinion.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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You guys should have used one of these vapor masks..
I use this when glassing surfboards and never smell a thing. It's a great $40 investment. After spending the night at Camp 6 in the early 1990's, I could smell the smell and still taste it for a week. I had a sore throat, clogged sinuses and felt really sick the morning following our bivy.
BTW, we left nothing of our 'stuff' there. I feel bad for not taking some additional trash with us.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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^^^thats an awesome idea, though not sure it is in the best intrest of climbers to be shown as a bunch of disgusting pigs to the general public on National Television...true as it may be.
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jstan
climber
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Have our brains clicked in yet? Eh? The NPS knows what is going on with the Nose and climbers generally. Stop thinking the NPS is stupid or ignorant. Why does the NPS allow it to continue and continue to deal with immature people thinking they can do anything they like while running around pounding their chests?
Because the Service knows its task is to preserve the land and to permit citizens supporting the park - to gain value from those parks. Complicated tasks are a part of life. Those who can't deal with complications generally wind up climbing.
Why do you think the NPS hands out so much support during Facelift? The answer to all of this is going to involve everyone facing the problems and cooperating. The NPS is hoping for a real answer.
Duh!
And when we get pissed off at a ranger just remember you have not got your sh#t together any better than has the ranger.
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Hats off Jesse!
No offense but:
The concrete or metal grate option won't fly (to much of an instalation in wilderness).
^^^ Really? ^^^
Isn't that a can of regulatory worms!
Not even a previously proposed foam and epoxy filler?
Plus I think it would be cool if we could get it 100% clean, and actually have climbers all give the place the respect it deserves.
True, however unfortunate this an issue that will arise again and again.
I understand sitting in the 'Hole' belay on the Zig Zags is pretty gruesome these days as well.
As Mr. Hudon suggests carrying out your parties waste water should be part of the ethic as well
Years ago people heaved all manner of jetsam off the Captain (and other Yosemite walls). That has long since ended and I assume there is a regulation regarding jettisoning any waste be it trash or sewage ?
In the back country you used to be responsible for your food storage but that was pretty much by 'whatever means' (wire, etc). Nowadays you must by regulation use a certified bear cannister.
Are we headed for a 'no trace, haul it up/haul it out' regulations on Yosemite walls?
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on the humorous side:
"...a sign in multiple languages to post at Camp 6..."
Nah just epoxy a dummy video cam to the wall with a little 'active' L.E.D light.
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Again Kudos Jesse !
Next time I hear "How can I live in the park permanently?"
You know what thread I am sending them to.
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Jesse,
I have not been to camp 6 but I know the work you and your team do is vital. All of it, from coffee with a ranger to saving lives to liaison between the climbers and NPS.
Its not an easy position to be in and it takes dedication. Keep up the good work bro; don't let the wankers get you down! Your doing the right thing.
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Mimi
climber
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I used to think climbers were a special lot. Over time, some of them prove to be disgusting slobs. How could anyone with any sense use these ledges as dumping grounds?! They should all be strung up, flogged and brined.
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ericb
climber
CA
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Went past Camp VI the other day at 4:00 in the morning after a long day in the mountains, (made the HD/Nose link-up with 10min to spare!) and I was shocked to see how far down Jesse and Sam were able to get it with some improvised tools. From years past when I tried to haul stuff out of there I know that it's gruesome work, those bottles have decades old urine in them and can spill at any moment. (Actually, one did in our brand new haulbag).
It still smells pretty gnarly, so I can't wait to get back up and get the rest cleaned out. When it's finally done I think I'll spend a victory week camping there.
Eric
Yosemite Climbing Ranger
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Maybe there's some stuff that could be poured into the crack, that would cause the organic things to break down? The sort of stuff that organic gardeners and composters use? It probably depends on a fairly damp environment, but that seems likely.
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Gene
Social climber
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Clint on the thread linked above says:
I like the cap/seal idea to keep the crack from refilling with trash/feces. Maybe some 2' sections of 6" or so diameter logs could be used to make the cap/seal instead of cement or foam. Trim to fit with a saw and hammer into place! They will rot and get smaller over years, but then hammer deeper to retighten; add a new layer on top eventually.
why not?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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tony bird,
you are an as#@&%e.
and a effin looser.
jesse does something good and you sh#t on the parade?
you are one effed up individual and you dont deserve sh#t. yeah, looser.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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i don't think jesse has bothered to answer the issue i raised, hawkeye. he did provide an informational link on the other thread, but it led to nowhere.
i guess i've challenged jesse to be a little more than just mr. nice guy. real public relations steps up to the plate when the going gets rough and makes an effort to mediate, in both directions. i suspect jesse's job description probably precludes that. i suspect he's got a boss telling him to back off. i do understand that posting on the internet can get a little ticklish, but on the other hand it's one of the most effective means of communication going.
hawkeye evidently has gotten it in for me bigtime. gotta tell ya, bud, i'm an old guy with a thick skin. i don't go looking for fights without a reason. tasering is one big reason. it's an instrument of torture and assault, and it can become a dangerous tool in the hands of the wrong kind of LEO. "don't tase me bro" came from the use of a taser to discourage free speech in a public forum. you don't have to like me, hawkeye, but if you're in the least concerned about the direction our country is taking, give this all a second thought.
and since this thread is about the mess at camp 6, why not dig the damn crack out with a long-handled pick, spade and pike and dump it over the side? rake it up, pick it up at the bottom. close the area below for the operation. do it before expected storms, which will wash it clean. don't worry about biohazard. the BLM doesn't issue biohazard warnings when we camp among its cowpies.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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rox and tony make good company. brains like cowpies.
throwing sh#t off of el cap from C6 would simply end up in more cracks. tony you are an idiot. if you havent been there then STFU you bone headed looser.
and rokjox, there aint no wolves involved so see if your unemployment check is in the mail for the month....
nobody knows the facts about someone being tased but guess what, break the law and the man is there.....
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Ugh! That's just nasty. Humans can be such pigs. I'm with Tami on this one.
I'm just posting a personal thank you to Jessee and the other housekeepers. You guys are saints.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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jesse's supposedly a liaison to the climbing community, coz. tell me why he shouldn't get involved. he saw fit to provide a link to information which didn't exist at one point. why shouldn't he follow up on it?
are people to look forward to general taserings for every little misdemeanor in the park? are there serious dangers to the public from BASE jumping? did ammon mcneely's behavior warrant this response? these are normal questions the public is due in an event like this. the NPS's silence implies that perhaps their position isn't as defensible as it ought to be. will the courts get it all done properly? in most cases, it's all decided long before it gets to court. squawk now or forever hold your peace.
i don't climb the big walls and i don't know the logistics of cleaning up that crack. but it does seem like it shouldn't be that hard, given some of the resources available. put it in a big bag if it's not practical to go over the side with it. hang it there until the next available helicopter, whatever. i still say climbers ought to clean up after themselves. this isn't the rangers' job. what better project for the facelift?
but here's one for all you folks. public servants are paid for out of our tax dollar. it begins and ends with you and me. they are accountable to you and me. we don't have to genuflect in order to talk to them. and a good one will speak plainly and equably.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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rox,
sorry, but you are not my type. furthermore, you are a societal leach and i don't want to be leached on ....understand?
you and tonyB set the gold std for f*#ked up individuals. go start a thread on UFO's or somehting useful....
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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A sign might be good. Foam or anything else to cover the crack is kind of a silly idea.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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BTW TB.
public servants answer to their boss first and foremost. with an ongoing litigation jesse cannot say anything cuz idiots like yourself will the take it as gospel. you idiot.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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lambone, a sign? really? like DONT SH#T HERE?!?
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