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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Jun 26, 2010 - 01:23pm PT
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Yes Tony, take a step back, relax the mind. Let your agendas and fears take control
Gaze abstractly to the sky and the chemtrails will appear.
Then come back here and post some sheep and nazi pics.
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turd
climber
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Jun 26, 2010 - 01:58pm PT
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Wow, check out this thread. Intelligent and otherwise rational people choosing to believe something highly implausible, despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary. When their logic is challenged, they get defensive and condescending.
Kinda reminds me of the religion thread, what do you think Tony?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 26, 2010 - 02:12pm PT
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OK, here we go again . . .
What we were actually shown and what was actually released by the Pentagon . . .
What we were told: This is AA Flight 77 slamming into the Pentagon.
Wow! Really???
Shouldn't it look more like this? Isn't this what we should have seen but didn't?
(Notice: This is not real. This is a to scale computer animation/simulation of what we should have seen, but we didn't see.)
What we actually saw after the impact . . .
"The Amazing Pentalawn" after AA Flight 77 slammed into our Nation's Top Military Command . . .
What was actually witnessed by many very credible witnesses . . .
What we were told . . .
MIHOP
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 26, 2010 - 02:24pm PT
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here we go. klim's got the goods.
inadvertently, largo offered a ton of help with the following observation on other matters in the god thread:
"in psychology, there is a thing called 'information bias.' we filter out whatever does not conform to what we think is the truth ... we literally will not consider or be open to contrary information, or else we will alter its value or definition so as not to threaten our preconceived notions or given criteria."
also from largo, same thread:
"My adviser at Claremont was John Cobb, who I did all my grad Whitehead/Process studies under (Oral exams on Process and Reality from Prof. Cobb were no cake walk), and many of the hardcore philosophy classes I took were from David Ray Griffin - a sharp dood, but he went south with all that 9/11 conspiracy jibberish."
largo's a sharp dood too, but i don't take his word on everything. make up your own minds, but do the homework first.
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turd
climber
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Jun 26, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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"What kind of man choses to call himself Turd?"
I dunno - what kind of man choses to call himself "Rokjox"?
It's OK if you want to get all worked up by my made up internet name. WB apparently can't get around it either.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 26, 2010 - 03:08pm PT
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btw, the homework currently involves a whole concatenation of disinformation artistry by people with credentials who have sold their souls. the first version of "why the towers fell" involved a theory by an MIT structural engineering professor--how can you get any higher in the pecking order of professionalism?--who theorized that the twin towers "pancaked". this fell apart within a year, an absolutely laughable explanation. no one subscribes to this any more. now they're trying to revise the building code, according to a posting rrradam put out here, to put concrete around all structure for fire protection. you won't be able to build a skyscraper over 50 stories if you do that. you will find this sort of disinformation going on relentlessly in all areas of 9/11 research. come back when you've reviewed it.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 26, 2010 - 04:30pm PT
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Rokjox,
We are in agreement. I was trying to let the obvious sink-in to some minds who maybe don't know yet. But perhaps that just doesn't happen often enough.
We'll keep trying.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 26, 2010 - 05:19pm PT
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And beware of those killer nine volt batteries!
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turd
climber
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Jun 27, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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I guess I'm just not as emotionally invested in my choice of internet nicknames as you, Rokjox.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
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It's not surpising that the same folk who believe in a moon arc and bible codes also believe in 9/11 conspiracies. Further confirmation that its the same BS, repackaged.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2010 - 09:09pm PT
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Port,
3 seperate issues.
Although from the NWO perspective 2 are very related, the non-disclosure of UFOs/and that Aliens are already here, and 9-11 was MIHOP. It is about power, control, and greed. They have it. They want to keep it. And they want to take any of it, or all of it, away from all of us. The Rich Elite of the World (the NWO), look upon the rest of the people of the World (you and me), as viruses, chattle, canon fodder.
GOD doesn't see us that way. If fact he sacrificed a great deal for all of us. He came down, taught us the way to live, and sacrificed all for you and me to bring us back to him. GOD tells us -- the GOD honest truth. He lets us know what's up so we are not fooled. Pretty cool really. He looks out for us. He loves us.
So don't be fooled. You might want to listen up and stop the ad hominem attacks. When people are calling to you and telling you that you're driving off a cliff that is up-ahead that you can't see at the moment, you might want to listen.
I'm not asking you to take it hook, line, and sinker. Just listen, look into it, and keep your eyes and mind open. Look at all sides to the story. You might be very surprised what you find.
Revelations Chapter 9, ELS every 11 letters. In ELS Bible Code, those phrases or terms that are close or meet have very high significance and are usually very related and relevant. Notice that "Star House" (the Pentagon), "Missiles," and "Spies Knew" all intersect. That means MIHOP.
Say what you want, but it is beyond statistical chance. GOD speaks in mysterious ways. He prophecied in the Good Book that he would in the last days. He said it would be locked up (sealed) until the end, and then and only then would we know.
Well, we didn't discover Bible Code until the personal computer came along. Newton looked for it but didn't find it. Well, GOD is now doing what he said he would do. Amazingly it has been there all along, just waiting for us to discover it.
GOD is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and he has Omniscience.
Truth is sometimes very incredible and hard to believe.
Faith is based on some evidence and trust. The more you look into it, the more of each you will find.
Well, there you have it.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 27, 2010 - 09:46pm PT
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fyi, port, i believe in neither moon arks (i think you misspelled it there because i think they're all in cartwheels about a noah's ark-type thing) nor bible codes.
i see that poor klim here has his own version of these things. we've differed on other threads, and although i think he's rather a nice and fairly intelligent fellow, he's also a professional schoolteacher by trade and i wouldn't trust my kids' intellects with him in a classroom.
i don't trust alex jones and his prisonplanet either, but we all have our own particular takes on these things, as i'm sure you do on the things you're interested in. however your thinking about these matters is totally prejudiced if you go solely by the people who are saying something about them. i suspect rokjox is somewhat further to the "right" (whatever that means) of me, but he's got an open mind to this stuff too. don't cherry-pick people, look into the prime matter for yourself, and come back when you can begin to be conversant.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2010 - 11:22pm PT
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TB,
Boy you must think I get up there in front of the class and just let it all out, and just speak my mind without reserve! No, we are all very reserved in public. I'm sure you are also, no doubt.
Here on ST we can let it out, talk, discuss, argue, etc. We all have a very private world and a public world. But in public it is very, very different.
My Public Persona --
I get all kinds of questions from students . . .
Q: Mr. S what about 9-11? What really happened? What do you think?
A: We can't really talk about any of that. Check it all out on your own time. Have an open mind. Look at all sides of the issue. But we can't really talk about it. People/teachers get fired from their jobs over that question and discussing it openly. Really.
Q: What about 2012? I hear we are all gonna die.
A: Well, I have heard by now everything is gonna happen just as you all have. I watched the movie, "2012" and laughed. I thought it was a psuedoscience comedy. Hilarious. It can't all happen and all at once can it? Maybe nothing will happen. I don't know. Makes for good movies, and interesting reading. One thing we do know will happen -- Solar Maximum of the 22 year Solar Cycle is due 2012. That is all I know, and perhaps some of the planets will be in some kind of alignment. Dun know more.
Q: Are UFOs and Aliens real?
A: Well, it looks like the evidence for cryptoendolithic microbial life on Mars is stacking up. The research team led by NASA PhD McKay has looked at the Mars meteorite ALH84001 again and have invalidated all abiotic means of producing the nanomagnetite crystals found within, leaving only biotic means. So yes, there looks to be good fossil evidence for life having been on Mars in the past. It had a more favorable atmosphere, oceans, perhaps more moderated temperatures in the past.
However, there are many positive indicators for life possibly being there now: water in the form of ice, vapor, and liquid (droplets). Plenty of evidence of concurrent fluvial erosion. There is a massive seasonal release each year of Nitrogen near the Mars equator during Mars Spring - Summer warm season. The evidence keeps stacking up for life. So yes, maybe there is at least cryptoendolithic microbial life on Mars.
If true, does that mean there are Aliens? Yes, at least in the form of microbial life.
Hey, many scientists do speculate further and we can speculate also. Personally, I think that in the vast Universe the possibility that there is intelligent life off of Earth, I think is very probable, very real. That is about as far as I can go. Check it out on your own. Stephen Hawkings has just come out and said, that we should stop calling for ET, because if they are there, they probably want our resources. Kinda the same thing that happened to the Native North Americans when Columbus arrived. It didn't work out to well for them.
Q: How come we don't talk about GOD in science class?
A: Because Science is about Cosmic Order and can only answer What? and How? questions. Science uses the tool called the Scientific Method and can only deal with Scientific Hypotheses. They must be testable. There must be an experiment that can attempt to invalidate the hypothesis.
Religion and Faith, Logic, Philosophy are all about Cosmic Purpose, and can answer Who? and Why? questions. Science can't answer these questions since they are not testable.
Both are very different questions, and use very different tools to attempt to answer them. However, they are both compatible human endeavors, though very different.
Hey, we went over this in fine detail in Chapter 1: About Science, in our Pual Hewitt, Conceptual Physics text when we learned all about the Scientific Method. Do I have to go back over this again? Apparently I do.
We all have a public persona.
In my own life I can open my mind freely and discover truth without criticism. Thank GOD we have this freedom. At least for now.
I apologize for the F-bomb in the following graphic, but it gets the point accross. This is how some people and goverments view our freedom of speech . . .
This is what is happening to our freedoms . . .
Thank GOD we still have the Constitution and Bill of Rights for at least a little longer. I appluad the ACLU and send them money as often as I can.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2010 - 11:46pm PT
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By the way, this is how most people view 9-11 Truth . . .
But more and more people are pulling their heads out, and waking up.
Good.
It is a painful process no doubt.
We are better for it. Our eyes are open and we know now to question and look carefully at everything. Harder to pull off "false-flags" when you are very aware that they do indeed occur, and they do indeed do this.
The Truth Will Set You Free.
Your mind is no longer manipulated by the powers that be.
That is freedom; a very, very, important kind of freedom. You can't be fooled again.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 28, 2010 - 12:00am PT
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You can't be fooled again.
Don't be so sure .....
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 28, 2010 - 01:03am PT
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WB,
You are right.
Let's just say, we now have a much better way of looking at things and asking the right questions. A better, a more balanced approach.
One of them will always be, "Is this a false-flag, an inside job, MIHOP?"
We will now always be able to ask that question and seriously speculate, and immediatley look into the facts. We won't be blind to this specualtion or to this possibility. Where as someone else who has not come to this truth can not even begin to speculate this way.
I'll be honest. With the Gulf spill I thought this shortly after the seroiusness of the spill was known. I do not think it is. It is truly an accident based on greed and not ever having drilled this deep before in the ocean. Russia has only gone this deep on the Continental plates, not Oceanic plates. Way too much can go wrong with a moveable platform at sea etc. It dramatically increases the risks.
Here is a really good discussion on that from Pastor Lindsey Williams, and talking to his Oil Elite contact that is very much a part of the the NWO. Here is what he has to say about all of this. I recommend a listen. Very eye-opening as to what this all means. But it truly was an accident that came about by greed, lack of experience, rushing things and not taking precautions etc. But the seriousness of this dissaster is Orwellianly dark . . . I hope we can stop it. I don't know. I can't imagine what will happen if we can't. I do not think a Nuclear blast to seal it is an option. It might make it even worse. They need to start sucking all of it up and let tankers just come and fill up. Capture all leaks at the actual leaks.
I do not agree with the use of fossil fuels, but now we have a massive outflow of oil going into the eco-system of the World's oceans and atmosphere with no way of stopping the flow. Capture it and use it.
There is no Peak Oil at this time. They have discovered vast oil reserves very deep now. This is beyond biotic fossil fuels. Yes, fossil fuels develop biotically, that is proven and true. But there is now new discoveries so deep that biotic origin just doesn't explain it. The geochemistry and developement of oil this deep, they are specualting is abiotic in formation. This is changing everything we know about oil, especially deep oil.
I highly recommend a listen to all 8 parts:
Lindsey Williams Returns to Update Us About Toxic Gases Spreading into Florida on Alex Jones Tv 1/8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAPSOeBdSDA&feature=related
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Mud Flow
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Jun 28, 2010 - 01:21am PT
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You all are on Crack!
I think about 5.9 OW (that is)
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 28, 2010 - 01:52am PT
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got any kids, wade?
klim, my problem with your approach to teaching is that you don't speak your mind and you don't think you can. most of the school system is like this. you are forced to homogenize everything controversial. kids come away with a fairly uniform groupthink from this.
my wife and i understand the bad things that are going on in the world, and we can't even talk about them around the dinner table with our own children, now into their 20s. information bias at work again, and at least part of it comes from a steady diet of half-truths. even if you're wrong in what you teach, i'd rather have my kids pick up on it and discuss it at home. they'll learn when someone is sincere. the message you're giving with all that equivocation is "i can't do anything and someday you won't be able to either".
i have a brother who's been a history teacher in public schools for more than 30 years. we disagree on plenty, he hates the school system too, but he showed 9/11 truth videos in his class until the principal begged him to stop. not ordered, but begged. he is also notorious for teaching the u.s. constitution from cover to cover and instructing students as to their rights as jurors if they get called to jury duty. if you don't know about the jury nullification question, that'll get you out of jury duty right away. but if you understand it, you'll probably want to serve.
btw, my brother put me onto that lindsey williams stuff and i also recommend it be listened to. looks like they decided to sit on mega resources so they could create false energy crises.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 28, 2010 - 02:59am PT
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TB,
Much of what you just said is deep and true. I will respond in depth later. I'm getting tired.
But I just can't win here at ST.
Some think I'm way too contraversial and out to lunch and shouldn't be a public school teacher, and then others are saying I'm not contraversial enough and should just speak my mind, and feel free to talk about these issues. I can as it relates to science. The environment, resources, our reliance on non-renewable resources, the possibilty of ET life and many contraversial issues as it relates to modern physics what we should be doing and the Physics and the Earth Science related in all of that I passionately talk and demostrate about that in depth.
Well, there has to be an honest, decent middle ground. I'm here to teach science. I have to teach topics within the State Standardized Curriculum for Physics and Earth Science from A - Z by a certain time of the year and get the students ready for the CA State Standardized tests by a certain mark or time in the year. There isn't room to wiggle much. It is busy, busy, busy.
I do try to instill in my students the ability to learn and how to learn. I also teach them and show them many common held everyday misconceptions and prove them wrong through science throughout the entire year. I rewire their realities as far as that goes. I also try to instill in them a fascination about the natural world around them, and to make observations and to ask questions; the basis of the scientific method, to learn new knowledge. I also try to instill in them the fact that what we know is so little in comparison to what there is to know. What we know is like the thickness of polish on a bowling ball of all knowledge and discoveries to be made. We are just beginning.
We can talk about contraversial topics in passing. I encourage them to look into them deeper on their own. I tell them to question everything, and do not be afraid to look at all sides of an issue. And to do anything less is intellectual dishonesty and bias.
It isn't perfect, but we all got to work and earn a living. I enjoy teaching. I want to be able to teach for a long, long time.
You are right. There are limitations. All teachers sense this. Sad but very true. Most jobs you can't freely speak your mind without worry of retribution or being fired.
You said you notice it with your own grown children. You can't talk about 9-11 truth I suppose because it will get heated and your own grown kids will think you are bat-poop crazy? I'm just speculating based on what you said. Is this true?
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turd
climber
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Jun 28, 2010 - 07:09am PT
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None of the truthers are inclined to respond to being compared with religious nuts?
Here's my surprised look.
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