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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Not only is the plastic from bottled water a waste, but many of the water sellers are using municipal sites as their "source." They are filling up on taxpayer's money (those who support the municipal water source)and then selling it back at a massive profit.
I came across a website recently called TapIt, and along with providing information about water and such, they have a database where local businesses who will allow people to come fill their own water bottles for free up at their place of business can be included.
If you have a restaurant or other business with a faucet, and would like to let people come fill up - why not add your name to the database? AND, spread the word about the TapIt datatbase to the local restaurants and other businesses you know.
http://www.tapitw#ter.com/?cel=1
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Wow, what a crapstorm this is turning into with Werner and Coz jumping into the fray. I'm glad you don't need the funds, and I think you have taken a step in making the world a better place by walking the walk - even if it is a small step Ken. Too many just flap their lips but don't abide by their own words. You can't eliminate the worlds slaughterhouses, but you did just make a difference, and who can say how large this ripple will grow.
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Gene
Social climber
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Or, you could think of the $20K as a company's effort to hitch their wagon to a desirable demographic and buy “corporate responsibility” and “greenness” on the cheap.
Posted before Clint's second paragraph.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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So I got as far as post 60....I have to get some work done today. Thanks for the links guys, haven't been able to check out yet.
I appreciate all the clean canteen, nagalene suggestions, but the bottles are a lot lighter. And a 5, 10 etc. gallon of bottled H2O is still bottled. When I go away for several weeks and stay in places with no H2O how am I gonna lift that heavy bottle to fill a nagalene while holding a funnel to fill the smaller bottle. (I didn't get a clean canteen last year.)
Maybe I'm just obtuse, but sometimes it seems to me people pick a few specific items to boycott.....how many of you eat at fast food places ? All that crappy food and throw away containers......:D How many of you smoke cigs, weed ? Watch television and thusly (is that a word :D) contribute to the advertizing of drugs people don't need and Big Pharma. I just think there are alot bigger battles than bottled H2O.
That's just my opinion and thanks for letting me have one. Lunch over. Back to sorting my life out. I'll view links and read rest at my afternoon break. Peace and Joy always (tho it seems this ole world is always trying to steal it) on this beautiful day. lynnie
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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I hate to tell you this Loi...er, I mean Lynne, but your post sounds a little like Lois style - being offered links and answers and instead of reading THOSE before responding, you take the time to post anyway, and continue with "I still don't get it!"
I got the best water anywhere, a quarter mile from my cabin. Comes straight from an underground spring, is crispy cold no matter what the temperature is outside, and is DElicious! And free, too! AND, I get a small taste of the old community "water run" experience, when I walk the Clove down to the water source. Local residents who drive by now recognize me, slow down and we wave to each other, or even stop to talk. It must have been an integral part of communal/tribal living, the walk to the local water source.
And - I have reduced my use of water in doing so(not my drinking usage, my wasting usage) because I DO have to make that extra effort to carry the water home. Last year when I got back to the city, I turned on my kitchen tap and when the water started running away - down the drain! - I had a little freak out fit. I had forgotten how very easy it is to waste water when it is so convenient to come by....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Is it possible to recycle climbers? I've heard that old climbers never die, anyway - they just smell that way.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Stop eating meat and shut down the the slaughterhouses and you'll accomplish 1 billion times more than some stupid plastic bottles.
He can say that because he munches on raw squirrel.
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Gene
Social climber
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Just what is the energy expenditure on a case of Twinkies, anyway?
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dipper
climber
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Here is a large pile collected mostly by one person in less than 5 months from Point Reyes National Seashore beaches. Over 200 pounds of plastic all wrapped in a fishing net, also found on the beach.
Ken did the right thing. Many of us voted yesterday. All of us can vote everyday with our pocketbook and by what we buy, or choose NOT to buy.
If we stop buying this sham, they'll stop stealing it from the fish in the river, wrapping it in plastic, shipping it all over the world and selling it to us.
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11worth
Trad climber
Leavenworth & Greenwater WA
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You made the right decision. Our neighboring town of Enumclaw WA turned down a request for a company to tap a local spring. The city council realized this woud not only have an adverse affect on the community but those downstream as well. Stick with your decision and THANK YOU!
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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It must have been an integral part of communal/tribal living, the walk to the local water source.
Absolutely. When I lived in Africa and the rains stopped, I would load a wheelbarrow with bottles and either take it to a tap about a mile away, or fill them from a closer water hole. It was always a source of great merriment to the locals to see mutangani drawing his own water. I often had memorable conversations though.
I'm agnostic on the decision to forego $20K. How funny to accept the cash then ban plastic disposable water bottles at the event? In any event it would be rude.
We all make choices. Much of our climbing gear is made from petroleum, but who here would go back to hemp rope? So we can try to drive less, or light a candle, or give up meat, or turn off the telly. But every little bit helps, if only to get us thinking about the world we are creating.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Good job Ken. Didn't you turn down a bottled water company last year too?
There's nothing hypocritical in reducing your environmental impacts.
Conservation means conserving resources, preservation means preserving things as is. Being a conservationist doesn't make you a hypocrit unless you claim to be a preservationist.
I stop at Fern Creek everytime I enter the valley and fill up my water jugs. It's better than any bottled water, plus it's free, cold, and no significant impact. Once in a while I'll get a bottled water if I'm at a concert or something and I'm thirsty. So I consume maybe 1/100th the bottled water of an average American with no burden. That's what I think being an envirnomentalist should really be about, just smart choices with conservation in mind.
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WBraun
climber
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Damn ....
I've been reduced to zero by these tree hugging zombies here.
I'm gonna make you all drink out of a plastic bottle at the facelift.
just wait and see ...... ????
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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"I'm gonna make you all drink out of a plastic bottle at the facelift."
Can't be any worse than sucking lukewarm H2O out of a rubber Walmart garden hose.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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"From reports from past FaceLifts, if you picked up garbage at and around Fern Spring, you might change your mind."
He's hoping to absorb the essence of Ron Kauk.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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"I totally get it, WonderBrawn!"
Dammit - I KNEW the Shasta Wernerians would get to you.
Have you also covered your new windows with tin foil yet?
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