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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2010 - 02:08am PT
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Thanks for the amusement! It is quite entertaining hearing from you, the greatest expert in the world on everything!
I'm just sorry your syntax is so limited. It really makes you look bad.
My advice: don't advertise your shortcomings!
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MeatBomb
Gym climber
Boise, I dee Hoe
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^^^^^
add drunken karate master to the resume. What a f*#king joke! LOL
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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The wise man sits on the hole in his carpet.
 Persian proverb.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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It depends on the circumstances, doesn't it? Usually a bear or cougar that kills a human in Canada, and eats or attempts to eat the body, is killed, as long as the authorities are reasonably sure they have the right animal. A bear or cougar that simply attacks or kills someone may not be killed, unless it's a repeat attack, or there are other amplifying circumstances - urban or suburban area, prowling, etc.
One way or the other, I suspect that 90% or more of animals that attack humans in Canada are killed, although of course most are dogs.
The question hasn't arisen with regard to wolves, as with very few exceptions they don't attack or kill people.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2010 - 03:03am PT
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Sorry Rox,but if you want to get paid your going to have to start writing using the english language.
I find all this really amusing because of the circumstance.
I am very ill so I am home from work and have all day to heckle poor Rox. Hang in there Rox, what I've got may wind up killing me, then youll be on top!
Rox has all day every day to post his drunken ramblings. Sorry I find your situation amusing, it's not every day one gets to hear the worlds foremost expert on...well, everything!
So, unemployed, hates everyone and eveything, spends all day firing off "witty" reparte. Drunk and hanging in the trailer, sorry but it is amusing. KInda like watching the Jerry Springer show, the trainwreck goes on and on...
And yes, it makes me ashamed to admit watching poor Roxies ongoing wreck amuses me, I'm actually a pretty humanitarian person.
So there you go! Let this be a little victory for you and may it recconnect you with your fellow man. Try not to hate everything and everyone, I promise you will feel better.maybe a little more human as well as humane.
I wish you all the best!
ps if you love the outdoors dont you want it to last? Again, I'll hold up John Muir as a great person to emulate.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2010 - 03:46am PT
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What I cant give you a little love?
By the way, thanks for that last post. Guess I should wish you the same, but I'm too much of a humanitarian for those kind of sentiments.
It does help explain why you get in (and lose by your accounts) all those fights.
Good Night and Sleep Tight!
ps...thats a little play on words, a sly comment on your state of inebriation. I knew you wouldn't get it so I wanted to help you out!
edit: Just so we are clear you want to kill all wild animals and bulldoze all our wildlands. WOW! Good thing you're just a drunk, unemployed (unemployable?) loser camped out in a trailer. Kinda limits your social impact. But it makes for great button pushing so thanks a lot!
edit edit! "And your reading comprehension is low to non-existent" It's true, I only read english. I admit to struggling with your white trash babble, but I promise I will try harder!
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2010 - 03:56am PT
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Truer words were never spoken my man! As usual Locker cuts to the truth.
I am gonna die, time frame yet to be determined!
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RDB
Social climber
way out there
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"when people actually shot Grizzel Bars for a liveing they used whatever they had which was more often than not a .30-30"
Common native's rifle round for Polar bear..the biggest bear generally... is a 223. Cheap and easy to carry a lot of them.
30-30 is a 1894 round. .30 cal, 160 gr. Most of the Grizz were shot out by then. More common round used on the griz? Military issue 45/70 from a Sharps, Springfield Trapdoor, 1886 Winchester or a 1881 Marlin, 405 gr bullet.
30-30 might work fine on a 150# cub and not so well on a 1500# unhappy griz.
But you are right poeple bitd used what they happen to have, generally knew how to shoot and where to place the bullet.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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nick, you're having far too much fun running rox out to the end of his chain and then standing out of reach.....HA!
You boys play nice now.
Rox, you seem intelligent enough to me, but I wonder why your discussions in these threads seems to frequently degenerate into shouting matches.
A wise man in AA once told me:
"If you call more than 2 people an as#@&%e by noon, the first one you saw that day was probably the one you met shaving in the mirror."
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Saw a photo of a dude with a 30/30 that had shot a coupple of hundred Grizzely bears.. It was super creepy. He had 4 or 5 hanging in the photo.. I know he had a lever gun looked like that 1895 model with the box magazine.. I know pleanty of big game was shot with a 30 30. moose, Elk, bear, etc. probobly more big game shot with 30-30 than any other caliber in North America. (read that in a my old Speer reloading manual. I kind of think that they forgot about the genocide on the buffalo when they wrote that line. that was mostly done with 50/90, 45/70, .45/110 etc
More big game was certainly shot in africa with .303 british than any other catrige. These days the african poachers use 7.62X39
It realy boils down to shot placement.
The Bear hunters in the Apalachia arround the turn of the century prefered the .44/40 which is a pistol catrige as they were afraid of overpenitration with the 30/30 that might hit one of their hunting dogs.
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MAD BOLTER
Trad climber
CARLSBAD,NM
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It should be well known that a woman during her "period" is considered by wild dangerous animals as something to go after. I notice the bear went after her. Also and blood like from a cut is a dangerous invitation. I cover cuts quickly with "new skin", a paint on cover. Also known as liquid bandage.
.44 mag should be minimum size. Bear hunting in some places require the use of "slug" ammo, preferred 12 ga..
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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NickD: "If you need a gun to go outdoors, just don't go. It's that simple."
NickD: "I am a loner and have had the majority of my outdoor experiences alone. I have been afraid at times but i dont need a handgun to go outdoors. For one a gun does not make me safer. For another I usually need my carrying capacity for the stuff that actually keeps you alive, you know, food and water."
Obviously you have not had a job, like the geologists or loggers referred to in this thread, that puts them in grizzly country whether they like it or not. They, unlike, you are for the most part not complete loners and are generally there for a period of time that requires a camp and to be stocked with food that will generate trash, and thus attract bears. Nearly all carry firearms when in grizzly country.
If you'd like to try this without a firearm (you obviously have never spent any significant time in grizzly country and are another armchair California tree hugger) feel free. If you come back alive and unmauled, tell us about it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Obviously you have not had a job, like the geologists or loggers referred to in this thread, that puts them in grizzly country whether they like it or not. In addition to mountaineering for decades in BC, I've spent several summers working in northern BC and southern Yukon, in mineral exploration. In places accessible only by air, a long way from any humans. It was usual to have a gun in camp, but that's all. (Pre bearspray days.) And there were lots of bears and other wildlife around.
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snaps10
Mountain climber
Visalia, CA
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90% of our SAR team carries 90% of the time. It ain't the 4 legged animals that are worrisome. The sheer volume of marijuana gardens in this area creates an instant danger.
PS. I love wilderness, and respect it and it's boundaries. It's a bummer that I can't go anymore because I'm not willing to be eaten. Guess it's Deadliest Catch reruns and PBR from now on for me.
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RDB
Social climber
way out there
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Good catch...
"He had 4 or 5 hanging in the photo.. I know he had a lever gun looked like that 1895 model with the box magazine"
1895 Winchester generally shooting the 303 British round. But also the 405 Winchester with a 300gr bullet or the 30/06.
405 was Teddy Roosevelt's "big stick" in Africa. A '76 in black powder 50-75 was Teddy's "grizzley bear gun".
No doubt the 30-30 has killed more big game in NA during the smokeless era than any other round.
Short of the Henry most lever guns look pretty much the same from the 1866 to the 1894 Winchester. The 1895 was the most powerful of the bunch and the first (only) magazine lever gun that would accomadate the newest spire pointed bullets. But huge difference in power in every model from the '66, '73 (truly the two guns that "won" the west) '76, '86, '92 '94 and finally the box mag '95. Only the '76, '86, '94 were considered rifle power guns. The others all shoot pistol power ammo. Only the '94 and the '95 were originally designed for smokeless powder and power levels.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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A sad picture. Reminds me a bit of some of the bolted cracks near here.
Still kicking myself for not buying the beautiful TR commemorative Winchester in .405 when I saw it at Dixie Gun and Fish.
Came back the next day and it was gone.
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RDB
Social climber
way out there
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"I've spent several summers working in northern BC and southern Yukon, in mineral exploration. In places accessible only by air, a long way from any humans. It was usual to have a gun in camp, but that's all."
Must be a Canadian thing as hand guns are so regulated. (more like machine guns in the US actually)
I spend some time working as a surveyor in SE Alaska on mineral projects and every drilller had a shotgun easily at hand and we were reguired to carry a 41 or 44 mag while in the field. I bought and carried a Model 58 S&W as it was the cheapest/lighest thing easily available at the time.
Only one bear was killed while I was there for 2 full seasons. That was a black getting into the garbage on a regular basis. We would see any number of black bear every day and a Brown once or twice a week in the field.
The Alaskan surveyors all carried short barreled, cut down, rifles in 375 H&H.
First time I saw a Brown in the wild I realised just how small a "big bore" hand gun was for the job.
One morning while flying out in the Hughes 500 the pilot started some seriously radical moves...we hear him on the intercom that he his chasing a Brown off his stalk for one of the drillers. So it was serious business and you just didn't know when a bear might be a problem.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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To be exact, there was a rifle in the camps I was at.
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RDB
Social climber
way out there
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Funny the difference in wilderness camps and countries bitd. Says a lot for how we (americans) chose to handle things doesn't it? We worked for Borax. You?
Hey Ron, beautiful guns but you didn't miss much they are terrible to carry because of the balance with the drop mag. And the 405 aint that much "fun" to shoot in such a lwt gun, poor stock design for recoil and a 300gr at 2200fps. I'll be happy to sell mine at some point in the near future.
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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Old bears/sick bears will go after easy targets a.k.a. people. I hope that this was the case and it really was an act of defense. I sure as heck don't blame the guy not wanting to be eaten by a Grizzly.
AFS
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