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jstan
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May 26, 2010 - 01:59pm PT
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With or without a threat when a person expresses anger, what are they saying?
That they, personally, are unable to deal with the situation.
Why would anyone listen to advice from people who cannot handle even themselves?
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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May 26, 2010 - 02:06pm PT
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Good questions, Jstan. Let the Water flow.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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May 26, 2010 - 02:21pm PT
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Wes, thanks for the apology, i really appreciate that!!
Yea, your right, it isn't prophecy fulfilled(army of 200 million).
Oh well!
But should Russia and Iran form an alliance and begin to attack Israel, but get totally wiped out by a natural disaster...this is actually prophesied to happen seven years before Armeggedon and the army of 200 million.
Just sayin, should these things happen, you might reconsider.
I agree, they must seem totally absurd.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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May 26, 2010 - 03:05pm PT
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Well the US won't come to Israel's aid when Iran and Russia attack her.
And FWIW, I was totally against the US invasion of Iraque. As were many other Christian Evangelicals such as Pat Robertson etc...right from the beggining.
And I feel the same in regards to Afganistan.
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jstan
climber
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May 26, 2010 - 03:13pm PT
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"But should Russia and Iran form an alliance and begin to attack Israel..."
This statement is significant. The statement shows pretty clearly our inability to overpower the Iraqi has caused us to realize, as we stand now, we would not be "victorious" were we to be opposed by Russia. Never mind China. We could not handle even 30,000,000 Arabs.
A person has the ability to deal with this in at least two ways.
First, one can assume one has a magical "Big Brother" who will never let us be beaten or have personally to sacrifice.
Alternatively one can face the facts. Politically polarized as we are, we are a threat to no one.
If we wish to continue powerless we have only to remain polarized and each of us convinced "I" and "I alone" have all the answers.
If we do choose to remain powerless the rest of the world will simply move ahead, without us.
A disordered and polarized people
are not able to supply answers
to anyone
on anything.
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WBraun
climber
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May 26, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
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Pate -- "It was done by a single person, not a THEY"
Did I mention you?
I used "They" as a trigger to get an answer because I couldn't find the thread/posts that pertained to this. The thread or posts may have been deleted.
You did a recent troll on klimmer and he reacted and then you flamed him for it.
Pate -- "Sorry Klimmer, that was a total troll. Just wanted to see if I could help your students out and get you to waste 5 minutes of their class time. It worked. Now go look up "gullible" or "compulsive"."
Double standard?
This thread has now become civil and I suggest it remain so .....
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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May 26, 2010 - 03:38pm PT
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jstan!
The reason I say that the US won't aid Israel is because the Bible states that no one will come to Israels defence(America isn't specifically mentioned in the Bible).
And it states that God alone will come to Israels aid and wipeout the converging army's(with a natural disaster). Totally eliminate the Iranian/Russian/Syrian/Lebanese/Libyian army's and three others i don't recall at the moment.
Yes, I agree, it sounds totally absurd.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
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Thanks, Pate, for your post. As an electrical engr, I know exactly how naive people are when it comes to info, information theory, communications, etc. and their effects.
Could we get back to religulous now or is that a lost cause. I still have issues with Brian and Karl Baba.
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WBraun
climber
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May 26, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
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Pate you idiot!
I used "THEY" to get an answer and you gave it since I couldn't find it.
You are an emotional mess. Just look at your posts, you're still flipping out.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 26, 2010 - 04:13pm PT
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Pate,
Yes, anyone COULD do that if you were to be posting under your real name.
But do you think you would change your tone if you were to post under your real name?
Do you think you'd get into as many vitriolic arguments as you do now?
Do you want to get into arguments that piss people off so much that they want to get violent with you?
Yes, it is good to express ones self but expression to the point of pissing people off that much, to the point of violence is not the best decision in my opinion.
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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May 26, 2010 - 04:33pm PT
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Pate Wrote,
"Show me one place where opposing groups do mix and I'll show you a screaming crowd about to be tear-gassed."
Pate,
I'm a Christian, one of my best friends is a mainstream Catholic, my secretary is an athiest and my best friend has somewhat vague Oprah Religulous Theology. I have great talks with patients of mine daily who are vegans, goths, sportos and satanists. I talk religion every day with my language and actions. We don't yell at eachother. These people get a true glimpse of a Christian living a Christian life. We have great discussions. Its cool like that. We're grown ups.
Keep searchin Pate,
Scott
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 26, 2010 - 04:48pm PT
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Pate,
Have a good day.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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May 26, 2010 - 06:24pm PT
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People seem to make two mistakes here. One is to mistake the measurement of things for the things themselves, and two, to believe in the absolute certainty of their own constructs, as though the measurements or theories totally "explain" the whole shebang.
Define "life" (not by functions, effects or aspects), then prove it is so.
JL
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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May 26, 2010 - 06:45pm PT
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I've never said that we here at ST should agree on anything.
Sometimes we will, and sometimes we won't. Hey, it's what makes the World go round, culturally speaking. We do expand our World view just by considering another's arguement, and that is OK.
We can agree to disagree, and come out shaking hands with respect and our honor still intact.
We should always be civil toward one another. Now, I'm not talking about friendly jest and poking fun in humor, we should be able to do that. But the vicious attacks should really stop. We should be able to get along.
In my best Rodney King impersonation, "Can't we all jis get alooooong?"
The Golden Rule. Simple.
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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May 26, 2010 - 06:47pm PT
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To respect what is unknown is to recognize what you are facing. It is something beyond your knowledge and control.
AFS
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 26, 2010 - 07:36pm PT
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Wes,
Watch out if you are overstanding knowledge and control.
You'll probably loose your balls!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 26, 2010 - 07:43pm PT
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Overstanding, overstanding, overstanding....must mean something...to somebody.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 26, 2010 - 07:46pm PT
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Overstanding, standing over..... look down.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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May 26, 2010 - 07:52pm PT
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t*r!
I think the song "Lithium" is about BI Polor Disorder.
The highs and lows, voices in his head, etc.
Lithium is/was the drug of choice to treat BPD, or as it was previosly reffered to: Manic Depression.
EDIT: Another one of my favorite musicians suffered from BPD, and also died at 27yrs old...Jimi Hendrex
"Manic depression is a frustrating mess!"
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