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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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May 21, 2011 - 03:36am PT
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Yeah, Hamilton gave back the medal about one-tenth of a second before they took it back. These guys don't talk until they're caught or under oath. Period. And Chief, I just don't get it: you defend Contador (who has been "caught") the way others defend LA, who hasn't (yet). It's a mess, no doubt.
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apples
Boulder climber
Atlanta, GA
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May 21, 2011 - 11:32am PT
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According to Georgia Hincapie via twitter (@ghincapie):
I can confirm to you I never spoke with "60 Minutes." I have no idea where they got their information.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 21, 2011 - 11:42am PT
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And why is the US government devoting valuable resources to investigating
this? Aren't there, like, real criminals out there they could be going after?
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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May 21, 2011 - 12:13pm PT
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Chief, no one is going to be shocked, totally or otherwise, when a cyclist is found to be dirty. Saddened, yes, shocked, no way. But you might ask yourself why you seem to be taking so much pleasure in it. Those of us who admire Armstrong know why we do, and yeah, I'm a cancer-surviving cliche myself, but I don't get the hate.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 21, 2011 - 12:25pm PT
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Not just any two cheaters mind you. Both were very critical components to LA's ability to achieve what he did.
There is absolutely NO FKNG WAY that LA could have gotten up them hills without either of the two "cheaters" mentioned nor his other lead outs. No way.
Tyler was in fact one of his main pointmen for the first three of those TDF's. Landis was critical in two of the others.
Amazing how so many of you out there think and believe that it was all LA. Fact is, without these dudes, there is absolutely no way LA would have acheived what he did. No way.
Now, Big Mig on the other hand. A whole different story. He was the real deal.
Chief, I don't see how you can make such an impassioned case for a team effort in the case of LA, but not in the case of MI, when we are talking about the same sport and the same race!
You have EXACTLY the same evidence of cheating by both: none.
Your accusation would apply to ANY dominant athlete in ANY sport, simple change the name.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 21, 2011 - 02:10pm PT
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Chief has got a hard on for Lance.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 21, 2011 - 02:25pm PT
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Chief wrote: Chief has a hard on for cheating lying thieves and those that condone their actions. Period.
Funny coming from a guy who spend 24 years in the military.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 21, 2011 - 02:26pm PT
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KEN M,
When this is all said in done and all the evidence/testimonies released and the fact remains that all these folks cheated and lied to get to where they did, is this the message that we as a society accept and inspire onto our children to follow in order to succeed in life?
If so, than we are all as guilty as all the perps, regardless who they may be, for condoning this philosphy onto our younger generations.
That is my bottom line and point. Honor and Integrity are no longer a core value that our society promotes. Rather, FU, get outta my way and I will do what needs to get done in order to be the baddest and best and come away monetarily rich as can be. Saddly enough, seems too many here and throughout American condone this philosphy by showing their undue support for LA and anyone else for that matter (Mortenson for example) that is caught doing so.
Any my point is that ALL THE EVIDENCE HAS NOT BE GATHERED AND TESTIFIED AND RELEASED.
All this is rumor and statements by people that have agendas that have nothing to do with the good of the sport.
You are suggesting that people should make final conclusions about what LA and others have done, not on the basis of any FACTS, but rumor, self-serving statements by cheaters, etc.
What you think about LA is basically irrelevant. It is what you can prove, which so far has been nothing.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 21, 2011 - 03:18pm PT
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Chief wrote: My whole attitude towards LA changed in 09 when he showed how he wasn't a TEAM PLAYER. Alberto was by far the better man on the Astana squad. LA's selfish desires to win another TDF were clearly evident on many of the previous mountain stages prior to the infamous one when Alberto finally said enough was enough and took off on his own.
That is hilarious...Astana may have had the top three spots if it wasn't for the little sh#t Alberto...he also showed his true colors by taking off when Schelk lost his chain in 2010 tour.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 21, 2011 - 03:25pm PT
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Contador...? Was that the same guy suspicioned in the Operacion Puerto...?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 21, 2011 - 03:27pm PT
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Contador..? The same rider that eats juiced up beef helping him ride uphill faster?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 21, 2011 - 03:35pm PT
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So when they find out Alberto is juiced you gonna have the same hate?
I'm done with your self righteous ass.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 21, 2011 - 03:52pm PT
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Chief...As long as there is no scientific proof , like Dr. Ken stated , then the accusations by Lances former team mates are just he said , she said... As i recall , Contador got off the hook because Spains' doping investigations are weak...
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 21, 2011 - 03:54pm PT
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Chief, To be clear, you don't think that every top rider is doping? Such as Alberto?
I personally think that they are all doping in some manner.
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pc
climber
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May 21, 2011 - 04:13pm PT
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Why does anyone care?
Sport is entertainment. Cyclists are entertainers. Would anyone care if Bruce Willis took 'roids to prepare for his next film? Same diff to me.
Bonus for Armstrong to use his entertainers platform to raise money for cancer research / victims.
pc
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 21, 2011 - 04:50pm PT
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Sport is entertainment. Cyclists are entertainers. Would anyone care if Bruce Willis took 'roids to prepare for his next film? Same diff to me.
Do people watch the big cycle races for entertainment? Certainly, but thats not all they do. People are also inspired to go out and ride. Bruce willis doesn't need roids to be a great actor. So he wouldn't inspire generations of kids to use roids, whereas doping seems to be necessary to win in cycling, which inspires the young to start early.
I'm still surprised that the Chief would believe that LA uses dope, but not Alberto Contador.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 21, 2011 - 05:02pm PT
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"I'm still surprised that the Chief would believe that LA uses dope, but not Alberto Contador."
And there lies the foolishness of all his posts.
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hb81
climber
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May 21, 2011 - 05:18pm PT
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Alberto Contador is as doped as any of the top riders. Blood conserves marked "A.C." were found in the Fuentes bust. Due to some very dubious happenings surrounding that operation he walked away from that.
Rumors were that some top spanish football players were involved as well and that they were covered from way way up because the spanish national football team is pretty much a "holy cow" that cannot be touched.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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May 21, 2011 - 05:41pm PT
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From my understanding today's doping is incredibly sophisticated and not easily detected, masking agents and so forth.
I am not a Lance fan.
I believe Contador is juicing.
But I still love the sport whether or not they dope. However, with Contador riding off from the field no longer is there as much excitement with the GC contenders battling in out within seconds of each other. It just seems to me his, "superman" riding reeks of doping, yeah-call me a cynic.
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