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reddirt
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this was a somewhat informative thread topic but it veers all over to Idaho & elsewhere & back to be useful...
I don't even like dealing w/ rental car hassles, let alone ever deal w/ all the hassles of packing. Hell, I start whining if I have to carry a purple #4 or anything bigger. If one's gotta pull the trigger, it better hit the target. But the *massive* hassles of that happening is unimaginable....
I think I'll just go back to Taquitz/Suicide. Or way northwards.
Wonder if suboptimal camping/tweekers issues would be less like to present itself around Turkey day or later... I'll get to JT one of these days.
And the original post was a good read.... better than flaccid all caps (but the msg is ok).
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wbw
climber
'cross the great divide
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Rockjox, hope I don't sound PC when I say that I've read some of your posts and you don't seem alright. If I had to guess, I would speculate that you attract conflict like a magnet. Of course, I could be wrong.
All that spraying about your guns on a climbing site does nothing to change my speculation.
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wbw
climber
'cross the great divide
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"Some magnets are born, and some discover that they are being made at the last instant, or somewhere in between. A statistical anomaly or born to be bad, makes no difference. You are stuck with what happens to you. My answers are mine, you can have yours."
Yeah whatever, Rock. But we're talking about a discussion forum of fellow climbers on a climbing site, and your frequent confrontational comments make me believe that between the time you were born and the last instant, you decided you gotta fu@k with people to get your answers. Weak . . .
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Flaccid, you are too funny. "Attention at any price". Just like your all caps posts..
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Haven't camped at the pit. Have climbed at the tree. Just sayin that the pot calling the kettle black is funny. If you don't like that. Too bad.
Get your own rocker..
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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P.S. Flaccid, I generally agree with your opinion on the pit. I think the pit is a great idea and I hope it can continue. I just don't agree with your methods. Maybe you should learn from Robert.
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Isn't this where the tailpipe f&ckers come in at?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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If I ever felt like I needed to carry a gun where I live - I'd move!
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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I'm voting the Cilley/Bircheff ticket next time around, that Fatty/Walling is a bit over the fence for me, and the Cosgrove/Smith option is just not Dirtbag Party enough...
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Good pic for your pardner locker. Maybe you can breed her all over the place too!
Edit:
realized that was the FAKE L0CKER with a zero...
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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"Hey Jennie, I'm sorry I jumped on you so hard. I was a bit touchy yesterday."
"I do disagree with you interpretation of the numbers."
Thanks, John. I didn't take any grave offense.....my posts to you could have been more graceful.
You were correct about Idaho's reported rape cases being higher than California. That seemed an error to me, but according to the FBI, Idaho does have more per capita rape cases.
(The FBI stats do not accord with the individual who posted property crime was six times more likely in Idaho)
Like Rox said, statistics seem extraneous when you're a crime victim. I found myself under the "Lion's Paw" a few years ago at Lupine Meadows in Grand Teton NP, in low crime Wyoming by some out of state guys .....derelicts are brave in the unpatrolled wilds.
A larger,clearer version of this table is at: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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"But if I rolled in there at 1 am and was the only car? There is no way in hell I'd sleep on the ground near my car."
Sorry I couldn't respond back til now Dingus but yes, actually I have rolled in at that time in that situation MANY times in the past. I did not feel threatened or paranoid. Because the place simply wasn't known well to outsiders. It's not seen from the road. It was only known to climbers in the know. It's not somewhere you'd go unless you knew about it from someone else in the know.
It wasn't until Nomad's started telling everyone who came in the store that the Pit was a camping option that things started to change. The first night I spent out there last fall there was a big group of Marines who tried to camp on the hill (where you're not supposed to be, we had to tell them the rules and have them move down to where they couldn't be seen from the road). The next weekend there were a couple of cars of people who weren't climbers, they'd just been told that the Pit was a free camping area from the Nomad folks.
The element of the Pit is forever changed. It used to be a place for climbers in the know and fiercely protected as such. Now, it's a free for all. Which is why I no longer stay there.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I can tell you for a fact that Nomad is very discreet about spreading word on The Pit. The only one there that tells anybody is Ben, and he is pretty much a resident of it, so he knows how crowded it is or isn't.
"The element of the Pit is forever changed. It used to be a place for climbers in the know and fiercely protected as such."
Its... a pit. lol.
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jstan
climber
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The Mojave has many roads leading to gold mines. If you merely ignore the signs suggesting you will be shot, you can even camp in the entrances to the mines. (Due to dry rot I would never suggest anyone go further in than the first 100 year old shoring you encounter.)
A few of the owners use double aught so there is a modicum of exposure.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Besides bitching individually on Internet chat forums, has there ever been any organized effort to try to force the NPS to provide more camping spaces in JTNP? The Access Fund has been involved in issues relating to climbing access in the park, but this isn't directly involving access. Have they supported efforts of this nature in the past?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Crowding and enviromental impact are directly proportional to the number of camping spaces. They should provide LESS camping. The place had been run into the ground as it is.
They could quadruple the # of camping spaces and the situation of having a hard time finding a camping spot would not change 1 iota - there would just be a shitload more morons running around.
As it is, there is a bar to get situated there that I would say does a nice job of keeping a good portion of the idiots out. These stories here about who ends up in the Pit only validate this for me.
The NPS has been asked a zillion times to provide more camping anyway. It isn't going to happen.
If the place was even 1.5 times more the CF it is today, would you or anyone you know really want to go there anyway?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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I fear Rok is right. The Park Service motto-to-be: "The only good
camper is the nonexistent camper".
Oh for the good ol' days when it was only a Nat Monument.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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JLP, that was not the answer that I was looking for. I imagine that you must live near the park, in which case I can understand why you have the opinion you do. But I do not live near the park and it belongs to me as much as it does to you.
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