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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Sep 27, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
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Just curious, when you guys search for this crap, is it a general search on climate change, or do you atively seek data that supports your POV?
Would you or do you take the time or bother to acknowledge research and data that conflicts with your opinion?
I mean, lets face it- the only point you all agree on is that not everything published is correct. Oops, probably not even that.
Its like when during an argument with my ex i claimed she shared similar traits with an ex girlfriend, after which the ex wife would not acknowlege the exgirlfriend as even human.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
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The Chief, you pick a report that's almost four years old.
Why not talk about what's being released today?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
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jonnyrig, I generally go with what 95+% of the climate scientists have to say.
Why should I put chips on the wing-nut fringe who are sponsored by those with deep fossil-fuel pockets?
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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Sep 27, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
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Desperate times in climate alarmism
A more accurate description of all this Climate Armageddon storm and fury
would be another
(native American) Lakota phrase, tatonka chesli,
meaning “big bull excrement.”
Indeed, Australia’s newly elected Prime Minister, Tony Abbot, has said
claims that humans are causing dangerous climate change are “complete crap.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/26/desperate-times-in-climate-alarmism/
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 27, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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hahahaaaa... 1 paragraph in a 900+ document didn't adhere to the strict standards... the mistake was acknowledged and corrected... god damn, this conspiracy runs deep!
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
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holy sh#t chief
a PARAGRAPH!
surely there must be more!
Actually, there is less. Here are the 3 volumes of AR4, zooming in on the volume, page, paragraph and two sentences containing that Himalayan glacier mistake (from this ST post last year).
So that's it folks, now you've seen the real glaciergate. Two grammatically incoherent and mutually contradictory sentences that are false in many ways, credited to a WWF report but not really from there either; they're just a mess. These two sentences don't agree with each other or anything else in the 2,823 page AR4, and the glacier scientists sure wish one of them had reviewed this paragraph and caught the obvious confusion.
If anyone is curious just how those two sentences did get in there, the definitive forensic analysis has been done by a couple of hard-working Yale sleuths.
http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2010/02/anatomy-of-ipccs-himalayan-glacier-year-2035-mess/
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
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So The Chief, if I pointed to references in AR4 that turned out to be true, would you take notice? Or how about if things are actually worse today than as they were as published in AR4? What then?
Don't bother answering.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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Yes, the 'hiatus'.
Look very closely, it's there.
It's also here too, right?
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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
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We believe in the scientific method.
Hypotheses, assertions, models and scary scenarios must be supported by
actual evidence, data and observations – before we acquiesce to demands
that we hogtie our energy system, economy, jobs and living standards.
Up to now you climate wing-nuts have presented no such evidence.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/26/desperate-times-in-climate-alarmism/
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
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You miss the point Fortmental and others. What I get out of Otto et al and other recent reassessments is that the direct response (TCR) to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 is trending downwards, however slightly. What they do from here with equilibrium climate sensitivity is consider a raft of positive feedbacks, but not negative feedbacks, to reach ECS. The reassessed TCR is a good start. When the very real negative feedbacks of aerosols, GCR induced cloud increases, oceanic oscillations, fluxes in solar wind and the possibility of prolonged periods of reduced TSI, etc, etc,, begin to be factored in the ECS will come down as well. Eventually, after the demise of IPCC and other alarmist organizations, the consensus will reach equilibrium with reality.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 27, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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The IPCC SPM is our top story today, but science continues on many other fronts as well. I just picked up the 13 Sep issue of Science and noticed these articles:
Quantifying the influence of climate on human conflict
A rapidly growing body of research examines whether human conflict can be affected by climatic changes. Drawing from archaeology, criminology, economics, geography, history, political science, and psychology, we assemble and analyze the 60 most rigorous quantitative studies and document, for the first time, a striking convergence of results. We find strong causal evidence linking climatic events to human conflict across a range of spatial and temporal scales and across all major regions of the world. The magnitude of climate’s influence is substantial: for each one standard deviation (1σ) change in climate toward warmer temperatures or more extreme rainfall, median estimates indicate that the frequency of interpersonal violence rises 4% and the frequency of intergroup conflict rises 14%. Because locations throughout the inhabited world are expected to warm 2σ to 4σ by 2050, amplified rates of human conflict could represent a large and critical impact of anthropogenic climate change.
Channelized ice melting in the ocean boundary layer beneath Pine Island Glacier, Antarctica
Ice shelves play a key role in the mass balance of the Antarctic ice sheets by buttressing their seaward-flowing outlet glaciers; however, they are exposed to the underlying ocean and may weaken if ocean thermal forcing increases. An expedition to the ice shelf of the remote Pine Island Glacier, a major outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet that has rapidly thinned and accelerated in recent decades, has been completed. Observations from geophysical surveys and long-term oceanographic instruments deployed down bore holes into the ocean cavity reveal a buoyancy-driven boundary layer within a basal channel that melts the channel apex by 0.06 meter per day, with near-zero melt rates along the flanks of the channel. A complex pattern of such channels is visible throughout the Pine Island Glacier shelf.
Marine taxa track local climate velocities
Organisms are expected to adapt or move in response to climate change, but observed distribution shifts span a wide range of directions and rates. Explanations often emphasize biological distinctions among species, but general mechanisms have been elusive. We tested an alternative hypothesis: that differences in climate velocity—the rate and direction that climate shifts across the landscape—can explain observed species shifts. We compiled a database of coastal surveys around North America from 1968 to 2011, sampling 128 million individuals across 360 marine taxa. Climate velocity explained the magnitude and direction of shifts in latitude and depth much more effectively than did species characteristics. Our results demonstrate that marine species shift at different rates and directions because they closely track the complex mosaic of local climate velocities.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 27, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
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The IPCC SPM is our top story today, but science continues on many other fronts as well. I just picked up the 13 Sep issue of Science and noticed these articles: Yep, gotta keep the gravy train rollin!
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 27, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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Yea, Chief, that's the latest 'hiatus' in surface air temps. I knew you could find it. Anderson said it was being hidden.
Doesn't look very significant, in light of the total picture, does it?
We'll have more periods of 'hiatus', each higher than the next.
I take it you couldn't find a 'hiatus' in ocean heat content?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
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Now that the latest is out from the IPCC, skeptics will have less and less right-wing propaganda to gag on, seeing that all their arguments have been handily dispelled by real science.
But the stalwart denialists will keep on, no matter what I suppose. If they haven't gagged on the spin by now, they they will form by the tens to defend their right to deny science, its methods, and anybody that prescribes to the idea that man can have an influence on our environment.
But for those who have open minds and are able to understand how the scientific process works, the case is closed. The only problem is that the fossil-fuel industry has million$ to pour into the minds of those who are easily brainwashed by propaganda, and the voices that tell them what they want to hear.
While this thread will undoubtedly continue with the likes of Chief-Loud-Mouth and the others who pretend they want to understand, we should move the real debate on to possible solutions.
So have at it guys, keep up your impeccable work of denying what hard science has to offer you, and demeaning those who actually care about our future.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
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Yep Chief, we've had them before, we'll have them again.
Each at the end of a warming period, like the record 97/98 El-Nino you guys like to start your 'hiatus' from.
Let us know when ocean heat content takes a 'hiatus'.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 27, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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Bruce,I really do not want to know how Rick puts up siding,either.If he actually really has.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2013 - 08:12am PT
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One of the most wasteful ways to spend one's time and energy is being reasonable to unreasonable people.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 29, 2013 - 12:47am PT
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Humor only a flat earth, regressive, illiterate tea bagging dipshit would find humorous.
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