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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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May 23, 2017 - 09:27am PT
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Loved the rant above ! Thanks fructose.
I've got your previous reference on the meaning of God bookmarked as well.
I'm also loving the contributions of Mark Force with whom I am so much in agreement.
No time for a more thoughtful contribution as two wet sloppy snowstorms in Colorado during the
month of May, have left me with a huge mess of broken trees and pruning to do.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 23, 2017 - 09:30am PT
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Jesus does not have to be real for me to want to be forgiving and want to give service...right you are Mark. I'll go a step further....billions of people over the ages who were completely unaware of the teachings of Jesus have been forgiving and have wanted to give service.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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May 23, 2017 - 09:42am PT
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Jan, Thanks for your contributions!
Jim, Indeed!
"My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness."
~ Tenzin Gyatso
"We ought to do good to others as simply as a horse runs, or a bee makes honey, or a vine bears grapes season after season without thinking of the grapes it has borne."
~ Marcus Aurelius
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 23, 2017 - 10:07am PT
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5 Minutes:
Great! Couldn't agree more. Learning in the Liberal Arts is largely a function of self motivation and an education in that area, which bestows upon the student the power to present an idea effectively, is still available, French philosophy be damned.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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May 23, 2017 - 11:41am PT
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I also have an in law who goes on and on about chemtrails and every other conspiracy theory out there. She is a high ranking engineer at a huge company.
It is almost impossible to talk critical evidence with her.
That is an example of how people can believe in things that are not real, or at the least things that have very poor evidence for.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 23, 2017 - 12:12pm PT
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Learning in the Liberal Arts is largely a function of self motivation and an education in that area, which bestows upon the student the power to present an idea effectively . . .
True enough, and it is particularly rewarding if the student has an idea worth presenting.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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May 23, 2017 - 12:24pm PT
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“Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates.
At the first gate, ask yourself,
“Is it true?”
At the second ask
“Is it necessary?”
At the third gate ask
“Is it kind?”
 Sufi saying
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 23, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
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Wake up first. Wake up, and then you can double back and perhaps be of some use to others if you still have the urge. Wake up first, with pure and unapologetic selfishness, or you’re just another shipwreck victim floundering in the ocean and all the compassion in the world is of absolutely no use to the other victims floundering around you.
(Jed McKenna)
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 23, 2017 - 05:03pm PT
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HFCS: Vintage Peterson...
Learn how to think and feel for yourself. If you do, you could then deprogram yourself and find out what you are.
I’d say he’s dead wrong. There’s no “winning.” Ridiculous. What's to win?
What do you think you could be learning from anyone about YOUR life?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Actual religious people I have known have only nominally be led by doctrine, external "Gods" with human facilities, saints walking on water, and most of all, beliefs. Some ask from what well do they draw their their mojo, as if it all boils down to a mechanism or wraith or something "out there."
Another way or ethos seems lost on people.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Are those religious people meditators? So, meditation might be considered a kind of religion?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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You always use the small knife, Jgill.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Meditation stands on evidence and is not dependent on religion.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Empty awareness is evidence?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Go to PubMed and plug meditation into the search field.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 14, 2017 - 08:16pm PT
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Mark Force -- "Go to PubMed and plug meditation into the search field."
Out of curiousityI did go there and Typed in Vedic.
Lo and behold ....
Higher theta and alpha1 coherence when listening to Vedic recitation compared to coherence during Transcendental Meditation practice.
This study compared subjective experiences and EEG patterns in 37 subjects when listening to live Vedic recitation and when practicing Transcendental Meditation (TM).
Content analysis of experiences when listening to Vedic recitation yielded three higher-order code. Experiences during Vedic recitation were: (1) deeper than during TM practice; (2) experienced as an inner process; and (3) characterized by lively silence.
EEG patterns support these higher-order codes. Theta2 and alpha1 frontal, parietal, and frontal-parietal coherence were significantly higher when listening to Vedic recitation, than during TM practice.
Theta2 coherence is seen when attending to internal mental processes. Higher theta2 coherence supports subjects' descriptions that the Vedic recitations were "not external sounds but internal vibrations."
Alpha1 coherence is reported during pure consciousness experiences during TM practice.
Higher alpha1 coherence supports subjects' descriptions that they "experienced a depth of experience, rarely experienced even during deep TM practice."
These data support the utility of listening to Vedic recitation to culture deep inner experiences.
This confirms what I've said in the past that there "words" when vibrated that are NOT material and are transcendental to the material energies.
But what can be done. The gross materialists will just say one is hallucinating due to the fact they never do any work in this field except to mental speculate,
read foolish materialists opinions and then give their own foolish opinions about this.
This also establishes how meditation DOES benefit towards the whole process that Largo has been pointing towards all this time (mind thread) against the barrage of
lunacy against it by the mechanistic consciousness is all crowd ........
Meditation has become popular in many Western nations, especially the USA.
An increasing body of research shows various health benefits associated with meditation and these findings have sparked interest in the field of medicine.
The practice of meditation originated in the ancient Vedic times of India and is described in the ancient Vedic texts.
Meditation is one of the modalities used in Ayurveda (Science of Life), the comprehensive, natural health care system that originated in the ancient Vedic times of India.
The term "meditation" is now loosely used to refer to a large number of diverse techniques.
According to Vedic science, the true purpose of meditation is to connect oneself to one's deep inner Self.
Techniques which achieve that goal serve the true purpose of meditation.
Neurological and physiological correlates of meditation have been investigated previously.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 15, 2017 - 10:48am PT
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^^^^Nicely done, Werner!!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 15, 2017 - 02:43pm PT
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I won't spoil the game...
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Jun 15, 2017 - 03:31pm PT
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jgill: Empty awareness is evidence?
Perhaps.
Is what appears in your experience evidence?
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