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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 27, 2013 - 11:58am PT
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Yeah Bruce,, its FUNNY AS HELL to read the doom gloom predictions of "rising oceans" that will surely just drown us as we will just set there watching the tide rise above our lips... If the "scientists" that create this hogwash think that society is that lame over all, then they arent even connected vaguely to reality.
Ocean levels have been rising for the past century, Ron. The National Geodetic Survey, and its predecessor the Coast and Geodetic Survey, has documented that.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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Exactly as predicted, the circus has ignited the fuel of self immolation. Events contrary to their projections will take center stage to fan the flames as they burn. AR6 anyone?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
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The Chief, you've posted this several times:
This is a direct quote from pg 65 in the final released AR5 SPM:
“Models do not generally reproduce the observed reduction in surface warming trend over the last 10 –15 years.”
pg.65 AR5 SPM
Perhaps you can quote the entire paragraph for us, you know, from the Final Draft of AR5 WG1?
This shouldn't be a challenge because you must have it handy and have read it, right?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 27, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
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and a cooling contribution from internal variability, which includes a possible redistribution of heat within the ocean
Those pesky oceans.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
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@The Chief, I now see the quote in the Summary. It's page 10, not 65.
Because the Final Draft has yet to be released, it's fallacy to say you got the quote from the Final Draft, and your page number was incorrect.
To sum, these are not your thoughts, but those you are "stealing" from a blog somewhere. You cannot have access to the Final Draft, as you claim you do.
In summary, you're not thinking on your own here.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 27, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
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The Chief demands absolute certainty, and classifies anything less as worthless.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
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The trend is downwards. Here is an abstract of a paper not considered in AR5, one of many, pointing the way of the future as the climate sensitivity to CO2 is revised downwards. Does anyone seriously doubt that the IPCC will soon be relic of a past wrong turn?
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ot03100r.html
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 27, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
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Read it all Fortmental. Don't just cherry pick one sentence.
"The energy budget of the most recent decade does, however, indicate a lower range of values for the more policy-relevant transient climate response ( the temperature increase at the point of doubling of the atmospheric CO2 concentration following a linear ramp of increasing greenhouse gas forcing) than the range obtained by either analyzing the energy budget of earlier decades or the current climate model simulations"
Downward is the trend my friends.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 27, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
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For grownups, Rahmstorf has posted a summary of the summary (AR5 SPM) over at RealClimate. Watch for some interesting and often well-informed discussion there over the next days, as readers bring up questions.
Conclusion
The new IPCC report gives no reason for complacency – even if politically motivated “climate skeptics” have tried to give this impression ahead of its release with frantic PR activities. Many wrong things have been written which now collapse in the light of the actual report.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 27, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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It is really painful to see Rong, Rick, and Chuff try to sound relevant when they discuss science... like a bunch of 2 year olds who only know two words, "why" and "no." Can't we just go back to name calling and personal insults? At least they know how to do that.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 27, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
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Really, Chief, not one word on the 'hiatus'?
Those who have these data before their eyes can recognise immediately how misguided the big media attention for the “wiggles” of the curves towards the end has been. Short-term variations like this have always existed, and they always will.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 27, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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You missed one dipsh#t. This is the one most people in the west, especially those who like to eat food and drink water, should be looking to mitigate:
There is very high confidence that the extent of Northern Hemisphere snow cover has decreased since the mid-20th century (see Figure SPM.3). Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent decreased 1.6 [0.8 to 2.4] % per decade for March and April, and 11.7 [8.8 to 14.6] % per decade for June, over the 1967–2012 period. During this period, snow cover extent in the Northern Hemisphere did not show a statistically significant increase in any month. {4.5}
Yes, the Chuff will search the entire report for "low confidence" as soon as it is available and gleefully post them up here, despite being completely clueless as to what any of it means.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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KMAN, WTF is this then???
http://www.ipcc.ch/
You complete and utter dipshit loudmouth, know-nothing idiot. Go to the IPCC page that you yourself posted and READ it.
There you will find the following words:
The Final Draft of the Working Group I contribution to the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report will be available here on 30 September.
What was released today is the summary. 36 pages.
But go ahead and quote from the final release all you want. It is just one more drop in the bucket that shows how lame you really are.
Now kindly GFY.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Sep 27, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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Meanwhile,
President Obama continues to blame nonexistent CO2-driven climate warming for tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires and droughts
that are occurring at the same level that
they always have been.
"We must take action now to prevent these natural disasters"
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 27, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
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Sh#t, chuff nuts doesn't even know what he is quoting from! I can't believe we actually still respond to this dipsh#t.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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The Chief, he reached rock bottom, but managed to find a shovel and kept digging ...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 27, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
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Ah, the denieosphere is just buzzing,I told you ,that you would not like it.The AR5.
Continue with the discrediting,do not worry, your blogs will keep up.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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Is indeed what "Policy Makers" Globally will be looking at KMAN. This report is the one your PRESIDENT is already making comments related to future Policy Making.
Right you are. He and his staff will be looking at both the summary, and at the full report (which they already have).
Hey, did you see this? This is what the President will be looking at:
STOCKHOLM, 27 September
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Human influence on the climate system is clear. This is evident in most regions of the globe, a new assessment by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes. It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.
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Warming in the climate system is unequivocal and since 1950 many changes have been observed throughout the climate system that are unprecedented over decades to millennia. Each of the last three decades has been successively warmer at the Earth’s surface than any preceding decade since 1850, reports the Summary for Policymakers of the IPCC Working Group I assessment report, Climate Change 2013: the Physical Science Basis, approved on Friday by member governments of the IPCC in Stockholm, Sweden.
“Observations of changes in the climate system are based on multiple lines of independent evidence. Our assessment of the science finds that the atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amount of snow and ice has diminished, the global mean sea level has risen and the concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased,” said Qin Dahe, Co-Chair of IPCC Working Group I.
Thomas Stocker, the other Co-Chair of Working Group I said: "Continued emissions of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and changes in all components of the climate system. Limiting climate change will require substantial and sustained reductions of greenhouse gas emissions."
“Global surface temperature change for the end of the 21st century is projected to be likely to exceed 1.5°C relative to 1850 to 1900 in all but the lowest scenario considered, and likely to exceed 2°C for the two high scenarios,” said Co-Chair Thomas Stocker. “Heat waves are very likely to occur more frequently and last longer. As the Earth warms, we expect to see currently wet regions receiving more rainfall, and dry regions receiving less, although there will be exceptions,” he added.
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“As the ocean warms, and glaciers and ice sheets reduce, global mean sea level will continue to rise, but at a faster rate than we have experienced over the past 40 years,” said Co-Chair Qin Dahe.
The report finds with high confidence that ocean warming dominates the increase in energy stored in the climate system, accounting for more than 90% of the energy accumulated between 1971 and 2010.
So you and your right-wing blogs can try to pick it apart all you want, but you gotta realize, you're arguing with physical science.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 27, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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holy sh#t chief
a PARAGRAPH!
surely there must be more!
you must have found that in the Daily Koss, therefore a LIE
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