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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Sep 11, 2011 - 12:35am PT
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17000 and counting...
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 11, 2011 - 01:39am PT
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Not to stir the pot, haha.. but doesn't Lupron only work while you are taking it?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 11, 2011 - 01:55am PT
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Just finished reading multiple prostate cancer threads, and it appears to me that a number of the men taking it only took the lupron during treatment for cancer and that testosterone levels return after one stops taking it. Nothing I found said you keep taking it.
But what do I know. I only play a doctor on the taco.
Dr. Taco
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Meow Now
Trad climber
Emerald City
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Sep 11, 2011 - 02:41am PT
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Yeah, really LEB.
You're a pain in the ass.
Go to bed. It must be past 2 AM EST.
I was hoping you would not be back, but here you're.
All over the f*g threads.
Marsha... Calling Marsha...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 11, 2011 - 02:29pm PT
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LEB wrote: in addition to your penchant for bile
Some one calls you out on your false information/lies and they are bile.
You are dangerous...period.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 11, 2011 - 02:50pm PT
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Bob is referring to the fact that you made fun of Riley's knowledge base, as though he needed to go back to school, when if fact he was likely correct all along.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 11, 2011 - 03:11pm PT
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LEB/DMT wrote: Riley,
And you are an RN ?????? Prostate cancer has nothing to do with testosterone? You are kidding me, right? Sweetheart, look up the treatment for prostate cancer. I keep telling you not to give up your day job but now I am wondering about even that advise. My "whorish" ways, huh. Hmmmmmm.....
"Donald Trump, M.D., President and CEO, Roswell Park Cancer Institute
March 16, 2009
Question: How is testosterone related to prostate cancer?
Answer: Testosterone seems to be necessary, but clearly not sufficient to cause prostate cancer since all men -- all normal men -- have substantial levels of testosterone in the blood, and certainly not all men get prostate cancer.
We think that testosterone serves as what might be described as a fertilizer, or a nourishment, that allows the normal growth of prostate tissue and is necessary for the development of prostate cancer. But there are no data that clearly show that testosterone is a direct cause of prostate cancer."
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 11, 2011 - 03:18pm PT
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LEB/DMT/Lorita wrote: And you are an RN ?????? Prostate cancer has nothing to do with testosterone? You are kidding me, right?
You made a very blanket statement and no where is Rudy's in it.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 11, 2011 - 03:37pm PT
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 11, 2011 - 03:39pm PT
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Lois, Let it go. Rile's posts have not been edited.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 11, 2011 - 03:42pm PT
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LEB/Lorita/DMT...the testicles produced 95 percent of testosterone in males.
Isn't the prostate's primary function to help transport sperm cells.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 11, 2011 - 04:01pm PT
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LEB..Riley pointed out your flaw and he was right from the start...just admit it.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Sep 11, 2011 - 04:14pm PT
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The longer one allows an infection to fester, the worse the damage to the organism.
LEB=Gangrene.
You were warned.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 11, 2011 - 04:22pm PT
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Lois is not DMT. That is just an old joke.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 11, 2011 - 04:31pm PT
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Rox..Talking about MD's and egos..Those are the ones that try to fly thru a blizzard and are found in what's left of their small plane on some remote glacier..
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 12, 2011 - 01:49am PT
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I don't know what I find more sad, Bruce -- knowing my alma mater had people wasting their time trying to figure out what's wrong with people with whom they disagree, or that some actually believe that nonsense.
John
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 12, 2011 - 02:03am PT
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Although it may use some scientific techniques, psychology isn't yet a science in the sense that say physics or chemistry is. Maybe some day.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 12, 2011 - 02:51am PT
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Since the irony seems to be lost on some, I'll be more explicit.
Consider this statement from the report:
"This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic cliches and stereotypes, the researchers advised."
Is that not what the researchers themselves, and certainly a great many on the left who read this, did and do? Unable to come to grips with the fact that some intelligent people disagree with them, they resort to stereotyping those with whom they disagree. Think of the stereotype of a conservative in the minds of many on the left in your typical, northeast or west coast college town.
Then again, I may be imposing personal experience on all this, too, since I'm familiar with some of the authors' other works, and their own biases and predilictions. Ultimately, though, I find the study ridiculous because it runs counter to my own observations and experience, which is that political conservatives, and just about any other political group, are so diverse as to defy the simple model put forth, so it isn't worth the monitor that displays it.
In addition it fails to describe modern political movements. The idealization of better days in the past is as much a hallmark of the left as of the right. Much "progressive" economic policy is nothing more than a reaction to the industrial revolution and a desire to return to mercantilism or worse. Similarly, the environmental movement could be characterized as a desire to return to simpler, better times.
Ultimately, the studies that resulted in the metadata forming the study are so full of the values and biases of the authors as to be laughable, but the authors, who take themselves so seriously, would never see it.
John
Edit: While I was writing this, you posted the preceding post. I see a big difference between the global warming debate -- which is really a debate about what to do about it -- and this nonsense. As just one example, a study of 46 volunteers lacks the statistical validity of the studies done on the earth's climate and human activity's effects upon it.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 12, 2011 - 05:58am PT
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Although it may use some scientific techniques, psychology isn't yet a science in the sense that say physics or chemistry is. Maybe some day.
Psychology has emerged from it's dark ages and is now in an adolescent stage where it's being heavily abused to manipulate mass opinion, voting and purchasing choices. The reality of a situation no longer matters, they know how to spin things so that we think what they want, ignore that we're being screwed, and allow the puppeteers to pull our strings.
That goes for LIberals and conservatives alike but in different ways. Both parties support the status quo elite money and power but have to make a show of caring the the concerns of their voter base because they are not that many elite and they can only fix the vote a certain amount.
The status quo doesn't really ever intend to ban abortion, that would create a backlash. They don't care about Gay marriage either.
For the Democrats, nobody even pretends to support the base anymore, they are trying to appeal to the swing voters and moderate republicans. No pretense of real liberal thought because the GOP spins the machine much better such that we have been taught to automatically believe that any tax raise is an unthinkable abomination even if tax rates are at historic lows and the alternative is screwing the schools, the elderly and the most needy.
Peace
Karl
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