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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 15, 2009 - 12:33pm PT
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Fatty
Israel has always denied the fence is meant to be the border. Everybody knew it was a lie except the same types who believe Israel is telling the truth now.
Peace
Karl
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 15, 2009 - 12:52pm PT
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karl, i didn't write that; i was quoting thomas sowell's column...i thought i included his byline
anyway, as i recall, the homocide bombings continued even after israel agreed to hand over the west bank..thus, the wall...guess what? homocide bombings stopped when the wall was completed...imagine that...you may want to quibble about exact boundaries and ignore the number of israelis forced out of their homes (or be left on the other side of the wall), but i see the wall for what it really is--an effective way to stop palestinian murderers from murderering israeli children
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jan 15, 2009 - 01:29pm PT
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"But splits in Hamas exist between its leaders based in Syria and those in Gaza. The Gazans are more open to a weeklong break, while the leaders in Syria want something from Israel in return for holding fire."
So who are those guys and why are they in Syria? Are they feelin' the pain too? WTF???
"President Bashar al-Assad of Syria also called for a cease-fire, saying in an interview with the BBC that the effects of war could be more dangerous than war itself, “sowing seeds of extremism and terror around the region.”"
Sure wouldn't want that.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 15, 2009 - 02:11pm PT
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and hamas has rejected the egyptian truce because it is supposed to last two years, which hamas says is "too long"
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 15, 2009 - 02:26pm PT
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There goes bookworm again selectively stating what he wants to present. Which is the ongoing demonization of the Palestinians.
Wht don't you also mention that Israel rejected the peace plan also.
Or would that be an inconvenient truth?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 15, 2009 - 02:33pm PT
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Bookworm
Even the Israeli courts called the line of the wall illegal and out of line. You talk about the line of the wall being a quible but if your neighbor put a wall across your driveway, you'd quibble
Peace
Karl
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jan 15, 2009 - 02:42pm PT
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""President Bashar al-Assad of Syria also called for a cease-fire, saying in an interview with the BBC that the effects of war could be more dangerous than war itself, “sowing seeds of extremism and terror around the region.”"
If he's against extremism and terror, why are they hosting the Hamas headquarters and Damascus?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 15, 2009 - 04:36pm PT
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read carefully, philo...i referred to HAMAS
any outrage about this, philo?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_diplomacy
yes, karl, i would...and i'm happy to know that you'd support my quibbling even if my neighbor built the wall to prevent me from hurling rocks at his house and endangering his children... and that you would continue to support me even as i continued to launch rocks at my neighbor's house even though i occasionally hit one of his children...and that you would condemn him if, in self defence, he launched a bigger rock back at me and hurt one of my children
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 15, 2009 - 05:41pm PT
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And who are Hamas Bookworm Eskimos?
You have disingenuously proffered one side of the equation. I can only believe it was a deliberate effort to further demonize Hamas and by extension Palestinians.
The truth is Hamas originally said they would accept the Egyptian proposal if some minor concessions could be worked out.
It was the hardliners in Israel who originally rejected the cease fire proposal. Deciding to continue prosecuting their genocidal ethnic cleaning instead.
Where do you get your information from?
And why is it important for you to present Israel as blameless and the Palestinians as deserving of hell?
Maybe you should take a hard close look at your motivations!
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 15, 2009 - 05:44pm PT
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Israelis shell hospitals and UN HQ
Israel's bombing of the UN compound in Gaza has outraged UN chief Ban Ki-moon [AFP]
Three hospitals and a UN compound have been bombed by Israel as troops continue to advance into the densely-populated Gaza City.
Around 500 people were sheltering in the Al-Quds hospital in the city's southwestern Tal Al-Hawa district when it was bombed by Israeli jets and set ablaze on Thursday morning.
Hospital officials said the fire was sparked by a "phosphorus shell".
"We have been able to control the fire in the hospital but not in the administrative building," one hospital official said.
"We hope that the flames don't spread again to the wings of the hospital."
Two hospitals east of Gaza City were also hit by Israeli shells as Gazans fled tanks advancing into the city.
It was no immediately clear if any casualties following the raids.
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The Israelis also bombed a UN compound in Gaza City, setting fire to warehouses of badly-needed food and medical aid and prompting international outrage.
Around 700 Palestinians were sheltering in the UN complex at the time of the strikes which left two civilians and three staff members injured.
Adnan Abu Hasna, a spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa), said fires were still raging hours after the attack and "tens of millions of dollars worth of aid" had been destroyed.
John Ging, the director of Unrwa operations in the Strip, also accused the Israelis of using phosphorus shells.
"They are phosphorus fires so they are extremely difficult to put out because, if you put water on, it will just generate toxic fumes and do nothing to stop the burning," he said.
Israel insists all weapons used in the conflict comply with international law.
The attacks came as the number of Palestinians killed in Israel's offensive reached 1,095 with more than 5,100 wounded.
More than 330 children are among the dead and nearly half are civilians.
Thirteen Israelis have died, three of them civilians.
Two buildings housing international journalists in Gaza have also been bombed by Israeli forces.
'Investigation needed'
Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, justified shelling the UN headquarters claiming armed Palestinians within it had fired at Israeli troops first.
"It is absolutely true that we were attacked from that place … but the consequences were very sad and I apologise for it," he said.
"There were no militants in our compound and... [the Israelis] are changing their story saying militants were 'in the vicinity'"
Christopher Gunness, Unrwa spokesman
However, Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for Unrwa, robustly denied that Palestinian fighters were among refugees sheltering there.
"At no stage during the fighting today did any Israeli official pick up the phone and tell us there were militants in our compound.
"We always take action against militants ... there were no militants in our compound and now they [the Israelis] are changing their story, saying militants were 'in the vicinity'," he said.
Gunness called for a "proper investigation" into the incident.
Louis Michel, the European Aid Commissioner, also condemned the bombing of the UN complex, branding it "unacceptable".
"I am deeply shocked and dismayed to learn of this incident ... I have made it very clear that all sides must respect international humanitarian law.
"It is unacceptable that the UN headquarters in Gaza has been struck by Israeli artillery fire," he said.
Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, strongly condemned the incident and demanded a full explanation from Tzipi Livni, the Israeli foreign minister, during talks held on Thursday in Tel Aviv.
Ban said Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, had apologised for the attack describing it as a "grave mistake".
A Red Crescent office near Gaza City and the main mosque in the southern city of Rafah were also shelled as the Israelis pushed deeper into the Strip.
Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 15, 2009 - 07:17pm PT
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No less than nine, count them NINE, Israeli, Yes that's right ISRAELI not Arab, human rights organizations have called for the immediate cessation of the seige of Gaza and "Crimes against Humanity trials for Israelli leaders.
What do these Jews on the inside know that you and the majority of Americans don't?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 15, 2009 - 07:22pm PT
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Love hate you Fatty
but at least you don't believe what you want others to think
Peace
Karl
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Jan 15, 2009 - 07:25pm PT
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But the rubbish he prints only creates negative feelings in people, polarizing the two sides.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 15, 2009 - 07:28pm PT
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Are you offering yours Fatty?
I accept.
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Jan 15, 2009 - 07:56pm PT
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Cool........maybe this thread is going to go away.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 15, 2009 - 10:09pm PT
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Well I have three Oompaloompas and the remnants of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang while most of your buddies will be making guest appearances at the Hague so bring it on big guy. By the way how do you feel about Everlasting Lasting Gob Stoppers?
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scabang
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2009 - 10:20pm PT
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Folks - this thread is becoming too conciliatory and while some cowards might hope it fades away i have news for them - as long as those murderous Nazi's continue to kill innocent men, women & children, bomb hospitals and UN facilities and the like this thread will continue in the name of all Palestinians. 82% of the racist Israeli population support this war - i say, PHUCK THEM!
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UncleDoug
climber
No. Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jan 15, 2009 - 10:41pm PT
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"Never, not when I have the cell # to an Asst. Sec Of Def, he'll send the fleet after you. "
Just like you were going to send the Mossad after people, Jeff.
Maybe some of those people you tortured in your LASO days should make a house-call to you....
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