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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2011 - 01:39am PT
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The latest work in progress is trying to prove/disprove that there was some hanky pank that resulted in the demise of the plane on it's final flight. This is a pretty touchy subject since there is no statute of limitations on capital crime.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 29, 2011 - 02:41am PT
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how different would a plane be if both 2500 hp engines screwed to the same direction
I suspect you know the answer: you gotta be right on top of things if you
lose the one that you don't want to lose - the one that torques you into
the dead engine side. As long as you get the dead 'un feathered quickly it isn't
a real big deal if you have the rudder authority - no prob on a Beech 18
but it could be a different story on the Howard with all those ponies which
might have exceeded the rudder authority of the original airframe. I
don't know, of course, but there have been planes like that: they're fine
with both turning but with one turning and the other burning it isn't a pretty sight.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2011 - 03:46am PT
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Reilly...since I'm not a pilot I can't speak to those events that you have mentioned. I have spoken to a few pilots that have flown the Howard 500 and they all agree that this is a rather unique plane and it has its quirks.
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webslave
Social climber
Morgan Hill, ca
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Jan 31, 2011 - 01:56pm PT
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I volunteer at a small aircraft museum (Wingsofhistory.org) and maintain their website. I am doing a short article about the pot plane salvage operation.
What is our connection to the pot plane? One of our museum's founders was hired by U.S. customs to retrieve wreckage from the lake. This founding member gave a talk to our group about this adventure several years ago. He passed away a year ago and so I am doing this article. I would like to exerpt a small selection of items from this thread to add to my article...if no one objects.
I have some of his photos taken during the salvage operation. Here is one:
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webslave
Social climber
Morgan Hill, ca
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Jan 31, 2011 - 01:58pm PT
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I forgot...please reply to info@wingsofhistory.org
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Jan 31, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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rad, this would really make a good book/then movie!
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2011 - 01:27pm PT
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Sorry to hear about Vaughn's passing. I spend a couple of hours at his house in 2006. He gave me a bunch of photos of the salvage operation as well as letting me photograph him showing off one of his prized souvenirs of that event, his tee shirt in like new condition.
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Trango
Mountain climber
Livermore, CA
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.............(crickets)....................................................
where'd everybody go?
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Barcus
Social climber
San Luis Obispo, Ca.
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May 18, 2011 - 06:39pm PT
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Update?
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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May 25, 2011 - 02:36pm PT
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good question - Licky began taking sides with his sources and perhaps everybody with a brain noticed . . . and decided that this thread was obviously biased and that Licky's research was desirous of a particular outcome. This is what can happen when a writer chooses a subject which has players with whom the writer is personally associated. Licky got personal and participated when he should have just played observer and taken notes. I offerred to help and was summarily dismissed, and called a liar. I only ask: "Why would I lie to someone that I do not know, and have no interest in impressing?"
Licky has an exagerrated sense of self-importance, which makes me increasingly believe that he has hidden agenda in addition to, or perhaps in contrast to his stated interest in this case. Could he be a Fed, or working for them? You be the judge. He is, at least, quite mysterious.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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May 25, 2011 - 02:42pm PT
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I really liked it when this story was discussed around campfires. This thread taints the legend.
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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May 25, 2011 - 02:50pm PT
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Licky wants the thread to become the legend. He is more revisionist than historian.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 25, 2011 - 03:38pm PT
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2011 - 11:42pm PT
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Ok..just for Sidmo's ears, everyone else turn away.
I have five different sources that do not know each other that all claim that the plane might have been sabotaged prior to that flight. All five mention the same potential subject that caused the plane to crash.
There was no NTSB investigation. There was no NTSB investigator at the site when the plane was pulled from the lake nor was the plane's remains delivered to a site for examination. Though the FOIA request, NTSB claim to not have any files, notes, or photos from the event.
But then again for Sidmo, this type of information only takes a few minutes to glean from the mist if ya catch my drift.
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yo
climber
a tied-off Tomahawk™
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May 25, 2011 - 11:45pm PT
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Do you have an app that makes your phone buzz when your thread gets bumped?
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2011 - 11:47pm PT
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Dayuum....busted
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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May 25, 2011 - 11:55pm PT
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what the f*#k ever. i've completely lost interest. produce a book, or stfu. neil sheehan produced "a bright shining lie" in a fraction on the time you've been blowing smoke, asshat.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2011 - 12:18am PT
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Good point bvb I'll go to press tomorrow
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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May 26, 2011 - 02:01am PT
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Don’t waste time listening to the hollow banter from the peanut gallery at this point. Some people who never made it to the lake still feel left out. They were lazy then, and apparently are still so. Ignore them.
Who was the ex Marine that got busted at Happy Isles on his way out the week before Easter? I heard his pack straps broke so they just used cord to wrap the 100lb pack to his body.
Anyone else here remember the "baler?"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 26, 2011 - 11:44am PT
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It is funny how many people who have never written a book are so expert on
doing so as well as taken with the idea that one can just pop one out in a couple of years. HoHoHo!
And I am really mystified, but not surprised any more, at the lack of goodwill.
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