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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 8, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
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the "Unaffordable Healthcare Tax" will also put the premier research hospitals out of reach except for the anointed elites.


http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/994951f8-5e71-11e3-8621-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2mwabklq6


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 8, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
TGT ..what good are those tax payer supported research hospitals if nobody can afford them..?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 9, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
Emanuel did more harm to his cause than good there.

He effectively said that the only way you can keep a doctor you like ( President Obama's promise ) is if you pay more money.

Under the "affordable" care act, it'll cost more for the same thing.

It sounded good at the university, though.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 9, 2013 - 08:55pm PT

No more volunteer FD.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520979/Obamacare-mandates-set-shutter-THOUSANDS-volunteer-departments.html
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Todayz Oregon news. $300 million wasted on non-health things so far.



Headline is:
"Oregon signs up just 44 people for Obamacare despite spending $300 million"
By PHILIP KLEIN | DECEMBER 11, 2013 AT 9:04 AM

The state is still spending money to run ads for the non-existant web site.





full article.

"Oregon, once touted as a model for President Obama's health care law, signed up just 44 people for insurance through November, despite spending more than $300 million on its state-based exchange. Oregon, once touted as a model for President Obama's health care law, signed up just 44 people...

Oregon, once touted as a model for President Obama's health care law, signed up just 44 people for insurance through November, despite spending more than $300 million on its state-based exchange.

The state’s exchange had the fewest sign-ups in the nation, according to a new report today by the Department of Health and Human Services.

The weak number of sign-ups undercuts two major defenses of Obamacare from its supporters.

One defense was that state-based exchanges were performing a lot better than the federal healthcare.gov website servicing 36 states. But Oregon's website problems have forced the state to rely on paper applications to

Another defense of the Obama administration has attributed the troubled rollout of Obamacare to the obstruction of Republican governors who wanted to see the law fail as well as a lack of funding.

But Oregon is a Democratic state that embraced Obamacare early and enthusiastically. Its outreach effort, which included a folk-style music video featuring a singer playing an acoustic guitar against a colorful and scenic backdrop, had been praised among the law's supporters.

And the more than $300 million in federal grant money the state received to build and promote its exchange topped all but two other states - the much more populous New York and California."

from:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/oregon-signs-up-just-44-people-for-obamacare-despite-spending-300-million/article/2540529

I'm pretty sure that it is higher than that, I mean they hired 400 people to process application as the web site doesn't work.
slabbo

Trad climber
fort garland, colo
Dec 11, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
I got enrolled,signed up..whatever you want to call it finally. What the hell was i going to do ? Pre-existing meant no more insurance, at any price.

The insurer basically said "we are done with you"

It's still expensive, but better than selling the house for cardio care
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
BTW, the story I linked above had it wrong. He gets the "close but no cigar for you" award. The reality, per the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is different.
"By Nov. 30, the state (Oregon) had received 20,617 applications, but had only fully processed 44 of them, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Of the 15 states that are implementing their own marketplaces, the state with the next lowest enrollment was Hawaii, with 444"
So it was 44 as of Nov. 30, with over 400 new government hires who's only job is to get folks signed up, I'm sure there are more by now.




Regarding this quote. It is against the law to not have health coverage now.
" What the hell was i going to do ?"
Follow the law or break the law are the 2 options you have.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
We went with the same provider, but with a much improved plan. It ended up costing about the same- about $600 per month for a fam of four, no preexisting conditions or anything. Huge pain in the azz for sure. In a generation or two we will join the rest of the civilized world and spend about half as much on better care. Until then....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
Well I managed to totally not pay ENOUGH attention and didn't get signed up...

no big deal, you got until March

For those who miss the deadline altogether, don't worry. You can still get coverage starting February 1 if you pick a plan by January 15 and pay by the end of January.
Open enrollment ends March 31. The uninsured must pick a plan by then
http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/22/news/economy/obamacare-deadlines/
ruppell

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
What a sh#t show.

No you don't have to use any website.

No you don't have to upgrade your plan. The feds and insurance companies will do that for you. To make your old plan compliant with the new regs.

No most people with employer health coverage will see little to no premium increase.

Yes, people on their own health care plan will see an average increase of 50 to 300%.


Yes this is total and absolute bullsh#t.

So what's your best plan of action?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
No most people with employer health coverage will see little to no premium increase.

That's because by decree the Emperor has postponed changes in those policies till after next years elections.

You get screwed in 2015, just like those in the individual markets are now.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
It was supposed to go down by $2,500. That's what Obama promised.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

He sure was definite about that $2,500 amount.

I doubt he would have been elected if he had told the truth.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
Someone please explain to me WHY, with today's instant access to information, people actually make the choice to remain uninformed, factually ignorant, when it is SO easy to get the truth?

please explain this to me......
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
"He said "by as much as $2500 a year", not "by $2500 a year". Repeatedly."


He also said "average". So, to average things out, if your premiums stayed the same, someone else's must've gone down by $5,000. That would make news, don't you think?

At this point, the guy on TV selling Slap-Chops has more credibility.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
I understand, My Hyatt. No one likes to admit they were duped.
ruppell

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
Posted before and needs to be posted again. So I'll do it. lol

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 22, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
They caught Locker!

Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 22, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
Obviously, if I qualified for subsidies, the cost would have gone down quite a bit.


I do not qualify for subsidies. I expect to make less than 100k next year.

I will now pay $13,800 per year for health insurance with a $3000 individual and $6000 family deductible.

Generic drug coverage only. OK I can candle that as I do not have a unique illness.

I will also pay 30% of the total cost my medical care.

If I have a relatively simple surgery (think ACL), it could easily cost $100K.

So I am responsible to pay the annual premium of $13800 + $3000 deductible + 30% of total cost.

Sweet....nearly $50k or half of my income to get my knee fixed.


Sweet.



Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 22, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
The average out-of-pocket cost of ACL reconstruction is $2,339.43, according to a 2010 survey of ACL surgery patients.


Mr. Hyatt, it is 2013. Out of pocket is the problem. When I had my knee done about 10 years ago, I bet I paid 3-5k or so.

I am estimating the costs based on my NEW insurance plan.

My OLD plan will be cancelled on Dec 31.

Not my choice.

Good luck brother. I will be limping around despite paying nearly 14k in premiums.


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