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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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TGT ..what good are those tax payer supported research hospitals if nobody can afford them..?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Emanuel did more harm to his cause than good there.
He effectively said that the only way you can keep a doctor you like ( President Obama's promise ) is if you pay more money.
Under the "affordable" care act, it'll cost more for the same thing.
It sounded good at the university, though.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
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Todayz Oregon news. $300 million wasted on non-health things so far.
Headline is: "Oregon signs up just 44 people for Obamacare despite spending $300 million" By PHILIP KLEIN | DECEMBER 11, 2013 AT 9:04 AM
The state is still spending money to run ads for the non-existant web site.
full article.
"Oregon, once touted as a model for President Obama's health care law, signed up just 44 people for insurance through November, despite spending more than $300 million on its state-based exchange. Oregon, once touted as a model for President Obama's health care law, signed up just 44 people...
Oregon, once touted as a model for President Obama's health care law, signed up just 44 people for insurance through November, despite spending more than $300 million on its state-based exchange.
The state’s exchange had the fewest sign-ups in the nation, according to a new report today by the Department of Health and Human Services.
The weak number of sign-ups undercuts two major defenses of Obamacare from its supporters.
One defense was that state-based exchanges were performing a lot better than the federal healthcare.gov website servicing 36 states. But Oregon's website problems have forced the state to rely on paper applications to
Another defense of the Obama administration has attributed the troubled rollout of Obamacare to the obstruction of Republican governors who wanted to see the law fail as well as a lack of funding.
But Oregon is a Democratic state that embraced Obamacare early and enthusiastically. Its outreach effort, which included a folk-style music video featuring a singer playing an acoustic guitar against a colorful and scenic backdrop, had been praised among the law's supporters.
And the more than $300 million in federal grant money the state received to build and promote its exchange topped all but two other states - the much more populous New York and California."
from:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/oregon-signs-up-just-44-people-for-obamacare-despite-spending-300-million/article/2540529
I'm pretty sure that it is higher than that, I mean they hired 400 people to process application as the web site doesn't work.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Dec 11, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
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I got enrolled,signed up..whatever you want to call it finally. What the hell was i going to do ? Pre-existing meant no more insurance, at any price.
The insurer basically said "we are done with you"
It's still expensive, but better than selling the house for cardio care
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
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BTW, the story I linked above had it wrong. He gets the "close but no cigar for you" award. The reality, per the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is different. "By Nov. 30, the state (Oregon) had received 20,617 applications, but had only fully processed 44 of them, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Of the 15 states that are implementing their own marketplaces, the state with the next lowest enrollment was Hawaii, with 444" So it was 44 as of Nov. 30, with over 400 new government hires who's only job is to get folks signed up, I'm sure there are more by now.
Regarding this quote. It is against the law to not have health coverage now. " What the hell was i going to do ?" Follow the law or break the law are the 2 options you have.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Dec 22, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
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We went with the same provider, but with a much improved plan. It ended up costing about the same- about $600 per month for a fam of four, no preexisting conditions or anything. Huge pain in the azz for sure. In a generation or two we will join the rest of the civilized world and spend about half as much on better care. Until then....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 22, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
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Well I managed to totally not pay ENOUGH attention and didn't get signed up...
no big deal, you got until March
For those who miss the deadline altogether, don't worry. You can still get coverage starting February 1 if you pick a plan by January 15 and pay by the end of January.
Open enrollment ends March 31. The uninsured must pick a plan by then http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/22/news/economy/obamacare-deadlines/
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ruppell
climber
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Dec 22, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
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What a sh#t show.
No you don't have to use any website.
No you don't have to upgrade your plan. The feds and insurance companies will do that for you. To make your old plan compliant with the new regs.
No most people with employer health coverage will see little to no premium increase.
Yes, people on their own health care plan will see an average increase of 50 to 300%.
Yes this is total and absolute bullsh#t.
So what's your best plan of action?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 22, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
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No most people with employer health coverage will see little to no premium increase.
That's because by decree the Emperor has postponed changes in those policies till after next years elections.
You get screwed in 2015, just like those in the individual markets are now.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 22, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
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It was supposed to go down by $2,500. That's what Obama promised.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
He sure was definite about that $2,500 amount.
I doubt he would have been elected if he had told the truth.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 22, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
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Someone please explain to me WHY, with today's instant access to information, people actually make the choice to remain uninformed, factually ignorant, when it is SO easy to get the truth?
please explain this to me......
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 22, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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"He said "by as much as $2500 a year", not "by $2500 a year". Repeatedly."
He also said "average". So, to average things out, if your premiums stayed the same, someone else's must've gone down by $5,000. That would make news, don't you think?
At this point, the guy on TV selling Slap-Chops has more credibility.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 22, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 22, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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I understand, My Hyatt. No one likes to admit they were duped.
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ruppell
climber
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Dec 22, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
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Posted before and needs to be posted again. So I'll do it. lol
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 22, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
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They caught Locker!
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Dec 22, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
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Obviously, if I qualified for subsidies, the cost would have gone down quite a bit.
I do not qualify for subsidies. I expect to make less than 100k next year.
I will now pay $13,800 per year for health insurance with a $3000 individual and $6000 family deductible.
Generic drug coverage only. OK I can candle that as I do not have a unique illness.
I will also pay 30% of the total cost my medical care.
If I have a relatively simple surgery (think ACL), it could easily cost $100K.
So I am responsible to pay the annual premium of $13800 + $3000 deductible + 30% of total cost.
Sweet....nearly $50k or half of my income to get my knee fixed.
Sweet.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Dec 22, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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The average out-of-pocket cost of ACL reconstruction is $2,339.43, according to a 2010 survey of ACL surgery patients.
Mr. Hyatt, it is 2013. Out of pocket is the problem. When I had my knee done about 10 years ago, I bet I paid 3-5k or so.
I am estimating the costs based on my NEW insurance plan.
My OLD plan will be cancelled on Dec 31.
Not my choice.
Good luck brother. I will be limping around despite paying nearly 14k in premiums.
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