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graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 9, 2013 - 04:10am PT
Yeah, Riley, until tomorrow. LOL.

Goodnight! :-)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 9, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
I said it twice and I will say it again:

Strange lands and separation are the wanderer's lot.
When a man is a wanderer and stranger,
he should not be gruff nor overbearing.
He has no large circle of acquaintances,
therefore he should not give himself airs.
He must be cautious and reserved;
in this way he protects himself from evil.
If he is obliging toward others, he wins success.

A wanderer has no fixed abode; his home is the road.
Therefore he must take care to remain upright and steadfast,
so that he sojourns only in the proper places,
associating only with good people.
Then he has good fortune and can go his way unmolested.


I don't dislike the people who got beaten. I dislike the idea of 'Merkins rolling into a small town in a 3rd world country, deciding they get to camp in a random village they know nothing about, and then blaming the residents when sh#t goes south. I have no doubt the situation could have turned out better if the travelers had oozed humble respect and gratitude towards the locals. Personally, I'da sought out a town center of sorts, asked very respectfully for someone in charge, asked them if there was somewhere I could park and sleep for the night, maybe offer them some money for letting me stay, etc. I would NOT have set up camp, started drinking, and then asked random people walking down the road if I could camp there. Driving further up the road after the initial altercation, deeper into the local's HOME territory, is not a sign of respect... more likely to be taken as a direct sign of disrespect.

I also have no doubt the 'Merkins believe every word of their story and believe they did absolutely nothing wrong... how could they, they are 'Merkin tourists on vacation? I think it sucks they got beaten and I certainly don't wish that on anyone. I just have a hard time understanding how someone in that situation could pick out a woman screaming "kill them" in her native language, how there could be no trace of an impassable road block across a road that size in ANY of the available photos, how the story of these 3 'Merkins clashes with every other story I have ever heard about Peruvians, etc. But we should give them the benefit of the doubt... they're 'Merkins on vacation after all, not some dirt poor country bumpkins minding their own business in their own village.

From what I gather from your facebook page link, they are now looking to rent an apartment in Argentina... poor 'Merkins, barely scraping by in whatever part of the world they choose. So did the Today show interview them in S.America? Or did they come home, do the media circuit, and head back for more adventuring? Oh well, they collected over $20,000 (more than I make in a year and likely more than that entire village will see in a lifetime), got the mayor of a poor town to pay for all damages, and generated plenty of animosity towards the Peruvians in the process.

Happy travels.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 9, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
If we repeat our points over enough, do they magically become true?

No, they are already true... which is why they should be repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 9, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
weschrist/mechrist can't even post on Supertopo without getting banned and he thinks he will teach us how to behave in Peru.

Is anyone else noticing that it is the posters that have the least ability to control their behavior here that are the most judgmental about how the climbers behaved in Peru, and also the quickest ones to call them liars, and jump to conclusions?
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Feb 24, 2013 - 03:15am PT
Another potential incident of violence in Peru:

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/feds-search-bay-area-couple-missing-bike-trip-peru/nWYF6/
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 24, 2013 - 09:00am PT
It sounds way dangerous, come to Colombia instead!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 26, 2013 - 02:23am PT
http://gma.yahoo.com/couple-biking-dream-trip-missing-peru-155910707--abc-news-topstories.html
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 26, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
Good news!

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Missing-Oakland-couple-seen-in-Peru-4310800.php

....relatives have been told that Peruvian authorities spotted the pair in a remote village.

The couple apparently decided on the spur of the moment to take a boat journey and didn't tell their families, she said. It was unclear when they were seen.

"The information told to me is that they are on a boat on the river and that they are sending a plane to find them," she said, adding that she expected to get an update Thursday.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 26, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Peruvian authorities spotted the pair in a remote village.
"A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,"
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2013 - 10:54am PT
also,

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chill

climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
May 4, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
I also grew up in a third world country, but as soon as I was old enough I left Texas and moved to Colorado.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 7, 2013 - 09:13am PT
Meanwhile, in nearby Bolivia.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bolivian-villagers-bury-suspected-killer-alive

"LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — Villagers in Bolivia's southern highlands buried a man alive in the grave of the woman he is suspected of having raped and murdered, an official said Thursday.

Police had identified 17-year-old Santos Ramos as the possible culprit in the attack on 35-year-old Leandra Arias Janco Sunday in a Quechua community near the municipality of Colquechaca, said Jose Luis Barrios, the chief prosecutor in Potosi province where the community is located.

Enraged, more than 200 community members seized Ramos and buried him alive alongside his alleged victim Wednesday night, according to Barrios. He said residents on Thursday blocked the road to the community, preventing police and prosecutors from reaching it.

A local reporter for an indigenous radio station, who would only speak on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, told The AP that Ramos was tied up at the woman's funeral. Mourners threw him into the open grave, placed the woman's coffin in it and filled the grave with earth."......


...more, click link if interested. Interesting comments section.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:46am PT
Sounds reasonable to me.
Bargainhunter

climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 04:51am PT
Couchmaster left out the most important paragraph in the link above:

"Also in Potosi, residents of the Quechua indigenous community of Tres Cruces on Wednesday stoned to death a suspected thief and burned his accomplice alive, Barrios said. The official said the two had earlier robbed a car and killed its driver."

View the American tourists in Peru as the possible thieves or the victims in the above paragraph, and consider their possible outcomes. Do you still want to judge them?
Les

Trad climber
Bahston
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:31am PT
Checked out their blog about this time this was all going down, and from the Costa Rica leg of their trip, saw this:

>It was entertaining enough though and we stayed for a few hours. It was only after Jed took it upon himself to de-arm a drunk guy who had found a huge American flag and was obnoxiously waving it around hitting people in the head, that I decided it was time for us to leave. Someone needed to do it, but I was still surprised by Jed’s abrupt actions of yanking the flag out of this guys hands and telling him that was ENOUGH. When I expressed my surprise to Jed, I laughed that his reasoning was not that he was going to hurt someone with the long metal flag pole he was swinging around, but simply that he was making American’s look bad waving an American flag at the Nicaraguan party.
Come on Jed….Why shouldn’t we do that? America…. F*** Yeah!!<

Then the stuff about going back there with his green beret (or however he misspelled it) buddies to shoot up the place, just kind of made me wonder a little about this dude. But whatever.

couchmaster

climber
Jan 20, 2015 - 01:22pm PT


...any updates? Their blog goes mysteriously silent @ July 2013.
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