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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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ANOTHER RANDOM SHOOTING!
You know....if all Sikhs carried concealed weapons, this never would have happened.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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You know....if all Sikhs carried concealed weapons, this never would have happened.
yep
and I gotta guess that if Sikhs didn't wear Turbans, this never would have happened
cause, you know, with Turbans, they look like they could be radical Islamists
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Yeah, and something like 80,000,000 gun owners killed no one in 2010.
Whats your point?
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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If I had to go a violent death, I'd choose to go with a chance to fight back.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What kind of Assault Rifle did the Manson Family use?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 13, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
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The numbers also clearly show that the fewer number of pirates there are the warmer the planet is getting.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 13, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
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29th out of 50?
Ho man we gotta step up our game. There's more guns than people in this state.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 13, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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California's 50th out of 50 in "permissive gun laws", yet there are TEN states who chalk up fewer murders per capita than California, while at the same time having more permissive gun laws.
Maybe those two stats aren't as connected as you'd like to think.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 13, 2012 - 04:38pm PT
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There's lots of other factors in gun deaths, not just gun laws. CA has some of the largest, most violent urban cities in the country. So of course that is going to mean more deaths. That is also probably one of the driving forces behind CA having the toughest gun laws in the country.
Actually what "I'd like to think" is that I could have any gun I wanted and there'd be no negative consequences from the laws that allowed it. Being able to admit I may have to give up some choices/freedom to have any weapon I want if it means less people end up killed is not what I'd like, but I think it's the responsible, less self centered way to look at things.
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Aug 15, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
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http://news.yahoo.com/man-accidentally-shoots-self-buttocks-gun-falls-pocket-082826134.html
SPARKS, Nev. - Police say a man accidentally shot himself in the buttocks at a Nevada movie theatre during a showing of "The Bourne Legacy."
Police in Sparks, Nev., say the 56-year-old man's injuries are not life-threatening and no others were hurt.
Authorities say the man had a permit to carry a concealed firearm. The man told officers the gun fell from his pocket Tuesday night as he was adjusting himself in the seat and that it discharged when it dropped to the floor.
Authorities say the case will be sent to the city attorney for possible charges.
The incident comes less than a month after a shooting at a suburban Denver theatre that left 12 dead and 58 injured.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 15, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
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More people were beat to death with fists last year than killed by all long guns.
(including "asault weapons")
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 15, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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Unmodified modern weapons do NOT discharge when you drop them.
I do a bunch of gunsmithing work. Mainly simple stuff like trigger jobs on non-carry weapons(i.e. benchrest/range rifles). There's no way dropping a modern pistol to a hard surface from less than 20 feet is going to set it off. Even very light triggers are tested with a simple bounce test on the stock.
That's the second story I've read where a gun "went off" after someone dropped it. That just reeks of BS to me unless these are modified. Chances are he was messing around with it and the trigger was somehow pulled.
The problem with these partial stories is they're designed to scare people of firearms. If some idiot modified his carry pistol to a 1 pound trigger and then carried it around as such he should be prosecuted for negligence.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 15, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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I like the way a negligent discharge is compared to Mr. Orangehair because it happened in a movie theater.
The jet skier who compromised security at JFK didn't try to hijack a plane and fly it into the Freedom Tower did he?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 15, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
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Ron, I think assault weapon ownership only makes sense if their are organized firefights between owners....you know, paintball with a sting in the tail. I have confidence that you would acquit yourself very well.
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Aug 15, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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Jody, actually my intention in posting the article was not at all about advocating for a side in the debate. I just thought it was a somewhat humorous, ironic piece and was surprised no one had posted it.
But your point is well taken and I see how just posting that article I put myself into the debate, so I appreciate you calling me out on it. I don't want to post (and haven't) my personal stance on the issue, but I would like to respond to your point, which I'll repeat is well taken. So I get your point that it's people who kill people, but I need to add that there is a difference in the tools that we choose to accomplish it with.
Would you like to see every person that has a car also carrying concealed?
Would there be a difference between all those morons with cars also being morons with guns?
As a cop pulling people over, would you feel more or less safe if there were significantly more people carrying concealed?
Now, I'm sure when you pull someone over you act and assume they are in fact carrying, but here in California we both know the odds are most likely that they are not, and somewhere in your mind you know this is true. Would it not change traffic stops if the fact was that most people were most likely to have a gun on them? Given what we both agree on as the truth that it is people who kill people?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 15, 2012 - 05:05pm PT
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Wanna know how powerful the NRA is?
Think about this: You can buy semi-automatic pistols and assault rifles but it's illegal to possess, much less carry, a switchblade knife
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade
Peace
Karl
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Aug 15, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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LOL, Jody.
Be polite because the other guy might have a gun and may use it if he's offended. Sounds like a fun world to me. I've earned the right to be respected, cuz I carry a gun at all times.
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