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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Sep 15, 2010 - 07:10pm PT
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you talking about the guy with the nice shiny hat?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2010 - 01:08pm PT
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Rokjox,
A good thing to do would be to post the actual image and list the actual website where all the "official" images of this anomaly from all the Apollo NASA missions can be found. Still images and possible video. There are many!
Backside Moon "Mothership" Anomaly listed by:
Official Apollo Mission in numerical order
Images to include: Vertical and oblique
Stereograms?
Videos?
Then list the images and videos that have been posted that are supposively taken by "Apollo 20":
This really needs to be done:
Then a systematic comparison of the best Official Apollo images of the anomaly to the best images from the "Apollo 20" mission.
Compare craters, rocks, the ship, crater impacts to the ship etc. etc. All of this can be done proportionally. If the best images from Apollo 20 are real, than the proportionalities from all of theses identifyable structures that can be seen in all images will match, and match perfectly, including angle measurements. This is how you do photogrammetry. A detailed comparison needs to be made. If it all checks out, than this is proof that the best of the Apollo 20 images are not fakes. You cannot make a bogus scaled model or images that fit perfectly with the real Apollo images taken if they are fake. Too many ways to cross-compare between both.
This takes time but it can be done. It is really the only way to validate the best Apollo 20 images to the Official Apollo images of said anomaly.
Then of course also have the latest, greatest resolution images of the anomaly from the LROC, in all lighting conditions, not just with the sun straight overhead at the zenith. We need shadow detail. We need high resolution.
A project to work on.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Sep 16, 2010 - 05:37pm PT
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Klimmer
You have two days left, are you ready, assuming you have been doing your homework or have you been out to lunch?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2010 - 05:58pm PT
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You have two days left, are you ready, assuming you have been doing your homework or have you been out to lunch?
Lost,
Apparently I haven't been doing my homework and I've been out to lunch, because I have no clue what you are talking about.
Spill the beans.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Sep 16, 2010 - 06:24pm PT
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09.18.2010
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Sep 16, 2010 - 06:28pm PT
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InOMN
Google it first and will give you web sites to go to and participate.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 16, 2010 - 06:28pm PT
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The trane reck continues. Though it doesn't have many passengers, it sure has a lot of freight.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Sep 16, 2010 - 06:56pm PT
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Klimmer,
Just felt sorry for you but but it is a challenge for you. Best one is to go to http://www.moonzoo.org/moonometer, Hit left hand side: "How to take part" log in, it is free. In short: when Sat comes look up [Moon],
then get online and contribute to science.
No body out there looking at us. If their were they would be laughing at us.
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Mad
Social climber
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
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Let's dig it out of it's moon bed and fire the thing up.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
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Lost,
No need to feel sorry for me.
The truth is very hard to take. I know. It is hard to swallow.
We will all know one day.
There are truths in science we have not learned as of yet. It will blow our minds to learn what we do not know. I'm ready for that day. It will be a revolution.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2010 - 07:17pm PT
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My students left at 2:14pm
Pate, you are pate-thetic.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Sep 16, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
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Klimmer,
Perhaps what is confusing you is the concept of "belief" for the truth. Science is not a matter of belief, but of evidence. In everyday life all people hold "beliefs", but this is not a good word to apply to our scientific understanding of nature.
Also, try to ignore the misinformation, the disinformation, and the careless errors that permeate “anti-government” or “conspiracy theory” websites. Use your powers of critical thinking!
Hope that this obsession does not turn into insanity. Life is here and that is real and maybe there is out there. Where? We do not know: there is no proof just a belief. But that does not stop us from searching.
One thing I know that is the true and not fake is www.wwe.com
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:12am PT
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a note for you, lostinshanghai, and in defense of klimmer, with whom i don't agree on much, but have some common ground, along with rokjox.
it isn't obsession, and you are not using your powers of critical thinking. i part company with these guys on the alien stuff, but not on 9/11 truth, which is buoyed by a massive amount of evidence, physical and behavioral, indicating the event was perpetrated by government insiders in league with an international controlling, yes, conspiracy. as we say in the movement, it isn't a theory if it can be proven, and these things can all be proven by means of the forensics used in ordinary criminal proceedings.
we've hashed this out on a couple threads on ST. it gets pretty tiring, but those of us who have figured it out are entertained, in a strange way, by the lack of savvy by those who haven't. to put it simply, you just haven't looked at all the things we have. when you find yourself in the truth movement, you meet a lot of others who come at it from different directions, and often very different politics, but arrive at the same conclusions based on disturbing, difficult, but basically incontrovertible evidence.
i don't mind mentioning that i've tangled with our illustrious largo on this subject. it seems now that not just one but both of his process theology professors from claremont school of theology--dr. david ray griffin and dr. john cobb--have "gone south", to use largo's expression, in the 9/11 truth movement. JL will admit that both are extraordinarily smart academics. i suggest that the reason these two sharp guys have "gone south" is that they've both figured out what the truth is. griffin is a leader in this field, having been published in a half dozen books on the subject in the last six years.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2010 - 01:47am PT
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TB,
We do agree on 9-11.
But you will come to realize someday that the biggest secret they have tried to hide and tried to never admit to, and have been very successful at doing so, but the secret is now breaking down all over the Earth (thank GOD), makes child's play of pulling off 9-11-01.
What secret has a greater revolutionary potential for change? The truth of 9-11, or the fact that we are not alone and governments around the World for 60 years or more, especially the US Governement has been lying their butts off the whole time and have tried desperately to hide it?
False-flags have happened throughout history, we know this evil happens. Not really a surprise any more. Unbelievable evil, but not a surprise.
But the reality of UFOs/ETs/ and back engineered technology that holds the promise of clean unlimited energy is revolutionary and changes our history, and changes our future for all mankind in very profound ways.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2010 - 09:47am PT
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Everyone has a part to play.
I'm clearly in the truth, disclosure, know who thy are but use their new technology wisely to help us solve our clean renewable energy needs, expand our understanding of science, explore our Solar System, and have incredible access to abundant resources in the Asteroid Belt, camp.
Some others have this role to play and play it well they do . . .
UFODC-Obama adviser says documented UFO/ET landings on U.S. Capitol "could destabilize society"
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/ufodc-obama-adviser-says-documented-ufo-et-landings-on-u-s-capitol-could-destabilize-society
1. 1953 CIA Robertson Panel – The CIA 1953 Robertson Panel imposed a virtual truth embargo on the UFFO/ET presence, prohibiting public discourse on UFO/ET in government, media, academia, education, science and mandating ridicule and social oppression of UFO/ET proponents. One source states, “The extremely high numbers of UFO reports in 1952 disturbed both the Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Both groups felt that an enemy nation could deliberately flood the U.S. with false UFO reports, causing mass panic and allowing them to launch a sneak attack. On September 24, 1952, the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence (OSI) issued a memorandum to Walter B. Smith, the CIA's director. The memo stated that ‘the flying saucer situation . . . have national security implications . . . [in] the public concern with the phenomena . . . lies the potential for he touching-off of mass hysteria and panic’.”
REPORT OF SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY PANEL ON UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS CONVENED BY OFFICE OF SCIENTIFIC INTELLIGENCE, CIA January 14 - 18, 1953
(The Durant report of the Robertson Panel proceedings)
http://www.cufon.org/cufon/robert.htm
I would rather be in the truth and disclosure camp. Didn't your Mamas tell you all about the life lesson of telling the truth? The Golden Rule? Always better to tell the truth no matter what. Share the knowledge and technology.
The ones who want to keep this secret do so for selfish, evil, dark, and greedy reasons.
It can be better and it should be better. What would Jesus do?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 17, 2010 - 09:48am PT
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i have problems with that scenario, klim, on a number of counts. for one, we don't get any alien culture along with the alleged technology. if they were leading our leaders around by the nose, strange alien culture would be leaking through. i don't see anything on earth except what's home-grown. strange perhaps, but not alien.
a colleague of mine in grad school--folklore and mythology--spent a lot of time with the josh UFO people. they all seemed to gravitate to the place and they were all growing old together. i'm sure they die and get replenished, but i don't think they're going anywhere. always, dancing around the edges of things they can't get a handle on. at least in 9/11 truth there is very hard evidence--you just can't get a handle on those in power to do anything about it.
as i've told you before, i do recognize that certain phenomena are well-witnessed and credible, but i think it's best approached from the point of view of the paranormal, and i recommend john keel's book to you again. i noticed that hardcore scientist ed hartouni lurking around this thread. perhaps he's finding some of it credible as well.
as far as your moon ark goes--i have developed a habit of keeping an open mind. but we'll probably both be dead before the truth comes out on either that or 9/11. you can, however, read the truth about guy fawkes, and even operation northwoods.
"time is the enemy of justice, but often it is the friend of truth." -- donald h. wolfe
there is a dichotomy among our species of the controlled and the controllers. i'd be disappointed at aliens who had the technology and sophistication to make it all the way over here and then deal with us as sneakily and ineffectively as they seem to do in your scenario. we hoi polloi aren't that much to be afraid of, really. why not just come out with it?
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Sep 17, 2010 - 11:32am PT
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That link to the examiner story *is* interesting klimmer. The UFO photographer, Wilber "Will" Allen, sounds very credible to me.
"Mr. Allen believes that his photographs, which are forensic in quality, document that the same intelligent hyperdimensional civilization was behind the July 16, 1952 and the July 16, 2002 flyovers of the U.S. Capitol. These UFO/ET flyovers are continuing into the present. Mr. Allen states that the civilization communicating with him and directing his photographic documentation of their hypervelocity landings on the U.S. Capitol are “grey and human-hybrid.”
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