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Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Apr 23, 2017 - 08:41am PT

A PhD doesn't necessarily mean you know how to think critically, especially outside the very narrow area of yer 'expertise'. I know quite a number of such who have trouble tying their shoes, not to mention dealing with life's bigger challenges.

Largo

Sport climber

The Big Wide Open Face

Apr 23, 2017 - 09:13am PT

It's an interesting thing to look at this whole shebang from the perspective of an educator.

For example, three or four times a year I teach writing symposiums, week long intensives that are sort of narrative boot camps where four or five of us (editors, publishers, feature writers, et al) will square off with a couple dozen students and get to work. Over the years I leaned to avoid stand alone theory lectures and stick with tangibles - the very stories students are working on, and interject theoretical and stylistic commentary as it fits the need of a given class or work.

Anyhow, especially in the case of journalists who want to start stepping up to literary non-fiction narrative writing, many find the transition is nigh impossible. Journalism normally trades in facts and figures, and a journalists job - traditionally - is to accurately present information sans bias or personal opinion. One of the first exercises I have people do is to try and write a paragraph that has no information, no numbers, qualifiers, place names - and also, no beliefs or opinions. Some people flounder mightily. Some don't even understand the assignment.

The reason is that some are of a mind that all of reality is best and most accurately thought of in terms of information, and unless you are dealing with data, facts and figures, straight up, you are trading in MISINFORMATION. There IS misinformation - and to me, examples would include efforts to posit religions doctrine as historical fact, like Jonah living in a whale's tripe and later telling us all about it.

But the idea that human truth is always a matter of physical data, or that the only meaningful truth can only be presented that way, is for many writers a fatal concept they simply cannot get past without some pretty intensive coaching. Real practical stuff, dealing directly with the stuff they put down on the page. Once they get it, then their work starts to soar, like a bird released from a cage. The biggest hurdle is often the belief that if unless they are proffering fact and figures, their work will merely be "subjective," or groundless opinions, and that such "poetry," by nature, is just an inferior and inexact method of positing facts, figures and data for those too dull to manage more objective techniques. Or that for the lack of facts and figures, all else is "imagined." What else can there be, right? Once they learn otherwise, they get liftoff.

That much said, I see those marches as a necessary movement against those trying to pose misinformation as real data, which seems as silly as denying physical evolution. What do we do with all those fossils? The downside is that many believe there is nothing more. I've had a stack of these folks as students. It does little to talk theory to such people. You have to physically get hold of their work and start in so they can SEE what they are missing.

But everyone can learn when the lesson is anchored in their own work and their own lives.

i-b-goB

Social climber

Wise Acres

Apr 23, 2017 - 10:34am PT

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BLUEBLOCR

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joshua tree

Apr 23, 2017 - 04:50pm PT

I guess fruity could be, a woman🤔

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Apr 23, 2017 - 06:03pm PT

TFPU, Dingus.

I didn't research this person any beyond your description but she sounded like an enlightened liberal Muslim American keen on science (she must be, post-doc after all) with great attitude. Yes, that's important to me since I've been very interested over recent years now not only in the ongoing future historic interplay between the Abrahamic faiths vis a vis science but the interplay between conservatives and reform-minded liberals within Islam. So this is great to see!

I am 100 per cent behind the reform-minded liberal Muslims and their Cause (a) here in America and (b) around the world. It's going to be a hard row to hoe.

I'm glad you were able to get down to the capital to enjoy, partake in, the sights and sounds firsthand. I would have liked to myself but other things intervened. Seeing all the posterboards and also the various quips, serious and humorous, has restored some of my faith/trust and hope in the American Citizen!

A favorite of mine from your pic set... Make America Smart Again. Ha!

Thanks for the dedication!!! :)

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Apr 23, 2017 - 06:21pm PT

but what if you were/are a muslim scientist?😳

Norton

Social climber

Apr 23, 2017 - 06:43pm PT

yeah

and what if you were a Christian scientist?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Apr 23, 2017 - 07:34pm PT

Hahaha Milktoast ur so fun!

I only believe fruity's a woman cause of that air compressor he bragged about;) #sissystuff lol.

Hey Norton, there has been lots of them. Christian scientists that is. Note: I believe even anti-Christian anything is following Jesus... Jus maybe not inline

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Apr 23, 2017 - 07:40pm PT

But seriously Dingus, what do you really know of her motivation for that inspiration??

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Apr 23, 2017 - 08:23pm PT

From Dingus' link,

Leading the professional development, health awareness and community outreach unit that aims:

•To assess the level of awareness of different target populations in Qatar against several diseases, medical topics, clinical and scientific research through conducting different types of population health research.

•To increase the level of awareness of the different target populations in Qatar against different topics in medicine through awareness campaigns.

•To assess the perception of different target groups in Qatar towards important issues in the medical field.

•Capacity building and professional development in Qatar and regionally

One can only hope she/he is not using our own state strategies against ourownselfs...

Edit, also, that's alot of "q"'s without "u"'s. More to question...

MikeL

Social climber

Southern Arizona

Apr 23, 2017 - 08:29pm PT

It must be interesting to some folks that perhaps the wealthiest and most powerful and influential country on the planet has misgivings about what science tells them.

I wonder why that would be?

Everyone in the U.S. must be either stupid or ignorant.

Funny, that.

BLUEBLOCR

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joshua tree

Apr 23, 2017 - 08:32pm PT

^^^barf. The bible gives the root and understanding to ALL meaning.

Sorry MikeL, that's for mmalemutt

i-b-goB

Social climber

Wise Acres

Apr 23, 2017 - 08:36pm PT

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Apr 23, 2017 - 08:39pm PT

It must be interesting to some folks that perhaps the wealthiest and most powerful and influential country on the planet

It's definitely juggling fire and water, unknowinginstantly.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Apr 23, 2017 - 10:40pm PT

^^^ yeah well, I saw some very eloq"u"ent speakers in San Luis obisbo that were slyly twisting a knife into peeps backs sharpened by sharia law

Jus Sayin
BB

WBraun

climber

Apr 24, 2017 - 11:44am PT

Just see the gross materialists so-called scientists think that being smart is anything to be great about.

You can't even teach smart.

And above smart is intelligence of which the gross materialists are completely lacking.

They just rubber stamp each other with degrees that believe each other's ultimate incomplete guesses ......