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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Apr 21, 2017 - 10:58pm PT
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 21, 2017 - 11:07pm PT
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BB,
No disrespect intended, but I don’t think that HFCS knows who he really is.
It’s a issue for almost all of us, and it tends to lead to squirrelly behaviors across the board.
Be well.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 22, 2017 - 08:00am PT
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You don't have to be anti-religion to be pro-science. Today is a good day to stand up and be counted among those who think it is a good idea for our government to continue investing in science and making evidence-based policy decisions.
If our government over the last 2 generations had not heavily invested in science, the world would not have the Internet. We would have an exponentially increasing rate of people from all walks in life dying of AIDS. Most cases of cancer would be death sentences. How often do you hear now about diseases like Measles, Mumps, Rubella? Smallpox? Polio? Science has been such a great return on our societal investment that most people can't even remember what problems it has solved for us.
I'm not that old, but I remember coming to Los Angeles in the 1980s and the smog layer was horrifying. I remember driving south on I5 and literally holding my breath as I descended into the heavy yellow smog blanket. In the 1990si spent a summer living right next to the mountains that border LA and every day it was too smoggy to see them. I now live about 15 miles away and I see them very clearly every day (but there still is occasional smog days looking across the entire San Fernando Valley toward Simi Hills). I remember watching news and documentaries in the 1970s and 1980s about rivers literally catching on fire because there were so many pollutants.
I don't think we can stop the divisiveness of identity politics and liberal/conservative labels. But we can hopefully learn to agree to keep that apart from science and the fundamental investments that enable our ways of life.
https://www.marchforscience.com/satellite-marches/
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/science/march-for-science.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/04/22/historians-say-the-march-for-science-is-pretty-unprecedented/
I think Neil deGrasse Tyson sums it up pretty well:
"Show me a Nation with a science-hostile government, and I'll show you a society with failing health, wealth, & security."
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2017 - 08:21am PT
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The stoopid gross materialist scientist create all the problems to begin with and then have to try to fix the mess they created later.
They invent millions of ways to make you happy and all of those ways ultimately lead to distress.
They are ultimately clueless fools.
They've accomplished nothing.
Birth death disease and old age are the permanent scourge of the gross materialists life after life.
Oh oh .... lol
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2017 - 09:34am PT
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Nothing new
It's all been known for millions of years already.
Modern science is still in cave man mode and still don't ultimately even know what the wheel is for ......
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Apr 22, 2017 - 10:05am PT
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The grand finale...
...Don't mean sh!t, if you can't take it with you or end up someplace GOOD!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 22, 2017 - 10:18am PT
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I'm a big reader.The house is stuffed with books on all sorts of topics, and plenty of good fiction. I had thought about a Kindle, but thought they would suck.
I finally bought a Kindle Paperwhite, a pretty cheap one, and it is great. Books cost less, and many old works of religion and philosophy are free, or 99 cents. I downloaded the Koran and Book of Mormon the other day, and will probably download The Hadith in a few weeks. I need to find a book that teaches the Hindu Faith to round out the major religions.
I find religion interesting. I am already fairly decent with the Bible, but I'll probably download a copy of that one as well.
I look at as more of a sociology compliment, with some good lines here and there, usually the ones who talk about how we should treat each other. The Old Testament is right up there with the Book of Mormon when it comes to sheer weirdness. It is always conflicting itself. Also, I have never met a Christian who followed all of the rules in the Old Testament. I've read part of the Koran, but gave up when I read about how stoning infidels was legal. As for the Book of Mormon, it is just super weird. Right up there with Scientology. I have known quite a few Mormons, and they make terrific neighbors, but a lot of it is just baffling to me.
Do any of you religious guys ever read a Biology book, or a Geology book? Any science at all? If not, I think you are selling yourselves short. You can learn a lot about the natural sciences without a ton of math or physics. Those two take years of instruction to be good at. An intro textbook in Botany, Zoology, Geology, even Astronomy, isn't too tough.
IMO, one of the reasons that so many rural democrats have become Republicans, is over the social issues. I hitched a ride with a guy in Arkansas a few months ago, and he blamed the democrats on gay marriage. I didn't DARE tell him that it was a Supreme Court decison. Still, I think that democrats have lost a lot of Christians by defending gays, blacks, any minority group that has been treated poorly. The south used to be blue as blue can be, but they are now red as all get out. A lot of it is this social liberalism. It conflicts with their religion. Some of it is racism. LBJ lost the south for generations when he passed the Civil Rights legislation.
Any thoughts on that?
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Apr 22, 2017 - 11:10am PT
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Science is about creature comforts!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 22, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2017 - 01:03pm PT
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Just you so called scientist wait till I become the rooler of the planet.
I'll shut down your stoopid space program which is a masqueraded military war and spy machine and make you gross materialists study that space between your ears ......
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 22, 2017 - 01:32pm PT
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Dingus: The conservative mind is afraid of change.
“Afraid?” That’s a biased choice of an adjective.
If there is anything that is good or working well to your way of thinking, then what would you think of change then?
Yesterday was the premier of an IFC movie entitled, “Citizen Jane: Battle for the City.” It’s about Jane Jacobs, the author of a 1961 book entitled, “The Death and Life of Great American Cities.” Hanson O’Haver summarizes part of Jacob’s remarkable story at https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/jane-jacobs-documentary.
"What makes a city? It's not the buildings (skyscrapers) or the streets (traffic), or the banks and government offices and shopping districts sandwiched between them. It's the people. This is obvious nearly to the point of tautology, yet in the middle of the 20th century, the men in charge of making cities better paid very little mind to the behavior of those who actually lived in them. In 1958, when Fortune published Jane Jacobs's essay "Downtown Is for People," the following was almost revolutionary: "The best way to plan for downtown is to see how people use it today; to look for its strengths and to exploit and reinforce them. There is no logic that can be superimposed on the city; people make it, and it is to them, not buildings, that we must fit our plans."
"Beginning in the decades before World War II and gaining widespread acceptance afterward, the philosophy of urban renewal sought to cleanse American cities of their slums. This program was repeated throughout the country, but the archetypal example is the New York iteration, where it was spearheaded by the city planner Robert Moses. Moses, who was later immortalized as "The Power Broker," wanted to replace New York City's notorious squalor with new developments. Entire neighborhoods were razed, with residents moved to large public housing buildings—projects—often on the outskirts of town."
Jacobs did not have a degree, but she knew how to make observations and how to use her common sense. Her book is immensely prescient and astute. It took about 20 years for urban planners to understand what she said in her book, and another 20 years for them to begin to implement her ideas in cities and surrounding neighborhoods. Today there are many well-respected and popular books on urban planning that focus on only one thing or another that Jacobs said in that book of hers.
Jacobs has pointed out one of the most egregious examples in contemporary society of unintended consequences by smart people who sure knew better than regular folk.
There are many other examples of unintended consequences in contemporary society of supposedly smart people who know more than dumb, regular people.
Conservative and liberal points of view are two poles of politics that are constantly in need of balancing. There is no final answer to anything.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Apr 22, 2017 - 01:53pm PT
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This one deserves a closer looksie...
(but hey, where are the Arab Persian countries? Why aren't they included?1 lol)
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 22, 2017 - 02:06pm PT
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March For Science, San Diego, big crowd, great signs, my favorite
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Apr 22, 2017 - 03:53pm PT
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Base, you are not widely read (sycorax)
He never claimed he was. He said he was a big reader. Critical thinking 101, lady.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 22, 2017 - 08:40pm PT
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HFCS:
How should we interpret the graph? What do you think you (or Tony Piro) are arguing?
I don’t have time to criticize this all too brief post of yours, but you should know that some of us have the publication from journals like Science or access to those journals because we have privileges at university libraries, and we are adept readers.
The Science article does not make the claim that the graph indicates, and Tony Piro’s website is restricted.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 23, 2017 - 08:01am PT
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Looks like a huge gathering of brainwashed gross materialists .....
:-)
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 23, 2017 - 08:09am PT
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Phd stands for mental speculators.
They ultimately know nothing except for the fact they will ultimately stay in the wheel of mental speculation
in their next lives spinning and spinning in circles with no end ..... :-)
The gross materialists study dead rocks and bones.
The intelligent class studies the source of life itself ......
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 23, 2017 - 08:24am PT
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Yes, very nice gross materialist ... :-)
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