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Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Jan 8, 2017 - 03:19pm PT
GoB, I think you'll go a lot further if you present your ideas from the position "I believe." People will tend to listen to you more.
WBraun

climber
Jan 8, 2017 - 03:26pm PT
They're not Gobee's ideas and he doesn't believe, he knows God exists.

Ideas are made by mental speculators and they believe their ideas.

So you are trying to control him by telling him what to do and how to believe .....
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jan 8, 2017 - 07:54pm PT
At least they are posted on the right thread.
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Jan 10, 2017 - 08:56pm PT
God's term will never end, He will never be replaced, and He will never retire, hoot so glad! : )
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Jan 16, 2017 - 11:11am PT
Living Hope

January 16, 2017

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
1 Peter 1:3

Recommended Reading: 1 Corinthians 15:14-19

Today, fears of terrorism, incurable diseases, and economic collapse rank high on lists of people’s fears. But behind modern fears looms the fear to which terrorism, disease, and destitution lead: the fear of death. The writer to the Hebrews talked about people “who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage” (Hebrews 2:15).

We have no certain hope against terrorism and the like. But we have great hope against death! And that hope is called the Resurrection. The apostle Peter said that Christ’s resurrection is the basis for our “living hope”—a hope that characterizes our life daily. Why does Christ’s resurrection give us hope? Because His resurrection was only the firstfruits. Because Christ was resurrected from the dead, all who believe in Him will be resurrected too. The apostle Paul wrote that our faith is hopeless if Christ wasn’t raised from the dead. But because He was resurrected, we have a living hope!

If we have hope in the face of death, we can have hope in the face of anything and everything else.

Christianity is essentially a religion of resurrection.
James S. Stewart



Matthew 11:4 Jesus answered and said to them, “Go and tell John the things which you hear and see: 5 The blind see and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me.”

...Science is wonderful but for a lot of diseases the cure has not been found yet and that won't help them now! We have a living hope!
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Jan 23, 2017 - 09:04pm PT
Hey DMT...

http://www.hansonrobotics.com/robot-gallery/


...what if they made them to look like anyone? Creepy!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 23, 2017 - 10:15pm PT
outsourced?

just in time!
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Jan 27, 2017 - 09:04am PT

Life After Death

Luke 12:16-20

The thought of death frightens many people. But believers have no reason to fear. Jesus’ empty tomb proves that there is life after the physical body dies.

Unbelievers who dread their demise have two different approaches to life. One group piles up wealth, good deeds, or worldly success in the hope of passing it on to their children or to charity. They expect to “live on” in the memories of those who benefit from their hard work. But it’s the rare person who is still remembered a few generations later. And none truly live on.

The other group chooses to laugh in the face of death. Their philosophy is “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die” (1 Cor. 15:32). Their existence seems pleasurable from the outside, but can you imagine a more futile way to live your life? God does not intend for us to pass the time with such meaninglessness.

Here’s the key to significance: fulfilling our unique, God-given, eternal purpose. In this life, we do not labor to leave a physical legacy or waste our days pursuing pleasure. Instead, we help those in need, influence our culture, and reach out to the lost. And when a believer enters heaven, he or she keeps on working for Jesus.

For the believer, death is not a fearsome end. It is the doorway to a new life of serving the Lord in heaven. Our days on earth are just the beginning of our existence; they will seem like only a few minutes compared to an eternity spent in His presence. https://www.intouch.org/read/magazine/daily-devotions/life-after-death


...!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jan 27, 2017 - 08:08pm PT
America's Vice President, gentlemen...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikax0Y0NJsY

"One measure of the chaos Trump has caused: It's hard to care about the religious imbecility he has also brought with him." -Sam Harris
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jan 27, 2017 - 08:15pm PT
Pence is a very impressive orator.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jan 27, 2017 - 08:50pm PT
Anyone could criticize evolution theory. Anyone can criticize anything.

I'm surprised at how feeble some people think about anything. It's as though they respond to their values more than their own minds, more than their own experiences.

The Buddha (an exemplar of a sorts) said that everyone should look for themselves when it comes to saying what and how things really are. Don't trust That Guy; if you come across the Buddha on the road, you must kill him. It's an allegory. Recently on another thread, rbord asked why people's beliefs were so important. It's a really good question. In so many respects, we are our beliefs--and from that arise the world we live in. (Don't like that? See the man in-charge . . . that would be, you.)
WBraun

climber
Jan 27, 2017 - 08:55pm PT
Anyone could criticize evolution theory. Anyone can criticize anything.


Not anyone ever.

Only the ONE who really knows ......
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jan 27, 2017 - 09:20pm PT
Well, . . . .

:-)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jan 27, 2017 - 09:29pm PT

One measure of the chaos Sam Harris has caused: It's hard to care about the religious imbecility he has also brought with him." -blueblocr

;)
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Jan 28, 2017 - 10:40am PT

It's amazing how little we know! : )
I thank God for His word in the bible, how it guides and shows His salvation through Jesus Christ, and is unerring!
God knows the end before the beginning, I'll keep trusting in His faithfulness, because He knows what's going on! : )!
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jan 28, 2017 - 10:44am PT

Not anyone ever.

Only the ONE who really knows ......

That's a much too favorable view of oneself, knowing this... rather republicoreligious...
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jan 30, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
Blublokr, smoking duck, dmt, sycorax... please consider a donation to this most worthy cause...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/islammovie/islam-and-the-future-of-tolerance-the-movie?ref=user_menu
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Feb 4, 2017 - 10:18am PT
Me, Myself & I

For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb.
Psalm 139:13

If only I were less like this or more like this… The effect of such thinking is more than just low self-esteem. Not only are we placing ourselves at odds with who we are with those thoughts, we are placing ourselves in conflict with God. We forget that we were thought of and chosen. Just as an artist conceives an idea before it is translated into being, God thought of you and desired a (insert your name) in the world before you existed. He gave your soul its shape.

If you’re feeling stuck with a poor self-image, begin with asking God, “How do You see me?” He had a specific plan in mind when He created you. As you come to realize how much God loves and delights in you, your own ability to love and receive love will grow. Each day we should pray that our eyes are opened to the great gifts God has bestowed on all of us. We are desired, loved, and invited to connect with God on a daily basis.

I would rather be what God chose to make me than the most glorious creature that I could think of; for to have been thought about, born in God’s thought, and then made by God, is the dearest, grandest and most precious thing in all thinking.
George MacDonald

...Isaiah 64:8 But now, O Lord, You are our Father,
We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all of us are the work of Your hand. : )
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 4, 2017 - 11:23am PT
First check out Sam Harris on Bill Maher, last night...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV7eVvph69Y

Obviously growing numbers are finding this neuroscientist / philosopher / "new atheist" VERY interesting!
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 4, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
Harris is interesting, even if I don't necessarily agree with him.

Watch Bill Maher regularly. Love his objective to bring people of disparate positions together in conversation.

This exchange between Harris and Maher was quite good. Two thumbs up.

IMHO ;-)
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