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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Snickerrr, snort,chortle.
Gufaaaawww!
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Mark Force: . . . another archetype - the dragon slayer.
The dragon is an archetype with many associated meanings—and paradoxes.
Yes, the hero always embattles the dragon--which is interesting since dragons (at least in Chinese mythology) is an icon representing wisdom. The tiger is an archetype or representation of courage, and the dragon (next archetype up in martial arts, e.g.,) is the dragon.
What does it mean to embattle, defeat, resolve wisdom? (Stay with the image. )
If wisdom is the realization of emptiness, then the achievement of taming emptiness is to see and live in the mundane, consensus world--but now liberated from it. What kind of life would that imply? What would it be like to live in the consensus world but fully liberated from it?
My readings in depth psychology would say that if this image shows up for a person, they should *not* interpret the image but rather allow the image to simply express itself to one (as any objet d' arts might). Such (often unconscious) images are meaningful to us, but we cannot say exactly what they mean. That’s myth.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Jerry Coyne: . . . all matter and energy in the universe, including what’s in our brain, obey the laws of physics. The most important implication is that is we have no “free will”. . . .
This is an objective description or explanation. Here is an expressive, subjective one:
To have a sense of fate or to feel a sense of destiny is to be in the “here and now,” to be in flow. (See, Wu-wei.)
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Luke 12:16 And He told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man was very productive. 17 And he began reasoning to himself, saying, ‘What shall I do, since I have no place to store my crops?’ 18 Then he said, ‘This is what I will do: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years to come; take your ease, eat, drink and be merry.”’ 20 But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your soul is required of you; and now who will own what you have prepared?’ 21 So is the man who stores up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.”
James 4:13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, and spend a year there and engage in business and make a profit.” 14 Yet you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. You are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes away. 15 Instead, you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and also do this or that.”
... live today and plan for tomorrow and Thy Will be done!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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The common ground between science and religion...
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/938045?
"If we allow our religions to evolve, we might find that science and religion can complement each other: each may open a different window into reality, just as art and science do." -Jeffrey Small
Food for thought...
Insofar as "religions" (eg, Abrahamic ones) were to evolve in the 21st century, they would become less supernatural / theistic / theological.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Thoroughly Equipped
January 5, 2017
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God . . . that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Recommended Reading: Psalm 1
Not many of us are spelunkers—people who explore caves for recreation. Nor are we deep-sea divers or mountain climbers. Even fewer of us have traveled to the North or South Pole on foot. In all of those environments, life can depend on having the right tools or equipment at hand. Backing up further, having those tools is down to preparation. When life is on the line in extreme environments, preparation and equipment are critical.
How much more true is that when we venture into the spiritual darkness of this world? While it may be possible to lose one’s life in extreme environments, losing one’s own soul is an even greater threat (Matthew 16:26). Therefore, preparation and proper tools for our life-journey are required. The apostle Paul wrote that God has provided a tool whereby we can be “thoroughly equipped”—the Word of God. It is a lamp to our feet and a light to our path (Psalm 119:105). To venture into life without the Word of God is a risk we don’t want to take.
At the beginning of this new year, make sure you have a plan for preparing yourself daily with the life-saving truths of God’s Word.
All the knowledge you want is comprised in one book, the Bible.
John Wesley
...read the instructions before use! : )
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Norton
Social climber
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GoBee, thank you for your constant scripture verses
My feeling about the bible has become that much stronger, keep it up!
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WBraun
climber
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sycorax
So true .....but Gobee is not an anonymous coward like HFCS......
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Someone's lack of education is showing. I guess archetype was not covered in the single community college English class you took.
Zinger.
;>)
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Sycorax: . . . Sam Harris hand jobs . . . .
Good phrasing. An artful turn of words. Your dagger was almost hidden.
Remember that fight scene in Dune between the realized Paul Atreides and Sting's rendition of Baron Harkonnen's second son, Feyd-Rautha? Or of Patrick Stewart's Fightmaster scene with Paul early on in the movie, re: The hidden dagger?
The hidden dagger should not be seen.
:-)
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Here the dragon represents yang (power, strength, and good luck for people who are worthy of it) and the tiger represents yin.
The Emeperor's dragon robe.
In European mythology the dragon represents the Id and subconscious. Slaying the dragon represents the transmutation of the power of the Id and subconscious to serve the vision and discipline of the super-ego.
HFCS, thanks for the article on the common ground between science and religion. It was quite good.
"The core problem in this debate stems from both sides overstretching their perspectives."
Sounds familiar...
"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
~ Mark 12:17
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Mark: In European mythology the dragon represents the Id and subconscious. Slaying the dragon represents the transmutation of the power of the Id and subconscious to serve the vision and discipline of the super-ego.
Jung has some other ideas, as would the Greeks, I believe. Each deity referred to in Greek mythology (for example) was seen by Jung and his proteges as facets of one's indescribable personality. There are times when Mars, Venus, Saturn, the puer of Narcissus, the Senex, etc. show up in being. We are not one unified single personality but apparently a great multitude of "complexes" that cannot be articulated or defined. The myth of a great personality (a deity, a god, a goddess in every mythology) are images of being that overtakes us in different times.
The archetypes of the unconscious confounds notions that most people have about "me," "my personality," "who I really am." Analytical psychology (depth psychology of Jung) also challenge notions that many people have about their ability to make decisions, self-improvement, and identity. When a complex seems to take control of being, it's difficult to say who or what is driving the bus of being. This is partly why Jung and his followers (Neumann, Hillman, Moore, etc.) said that problems arising from the "shadow" of personality should not be "fixed" but rather recognized and made friends with. Contrary to Freud's views, all parts of personality need integrating to achieve "individualization." Freud was looking for perfection; Jung was looking for completion.
Whitman reported the same:
Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself;
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)
The sign of contradiction can be a sign of personal development.
Mythology is not about religion. I mean it is, but that's not all that mythology refers to. It appears to refer to the very nature of being of a human being. Campbell attempted to show that as well in his investigations and writings.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Religions are mythological constructs writ large.
See "We all make this sh#t up unified theory on the origins of religion."
And, mythologies can be very powerful and useful for navigating our internal and external worlds.
The evolution appears to be myth to religion to philosophy. For some it's mythology to religion. And for a few it's straight to philosophy. Some in the latter inform their philosophy with the wisdom within myths. See Joseph Campbell.
Some people find myths/religions useful tools and some people get tooled by them.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Something Meaningful to Do
January 6, 2017
But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.
Exodus 9:16
Recommended Reading: 2 Timothy 3:10-12
The Lord told Pharaoh, “For this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you.” If God had a purpose for a pagan king, don’t you think He has a wonderful purpose for you? Whatever your age or stage in life, it’s important to seek and embrace God’s plan.
Christians believe in a reality of purpose. Evolutionists, atheists, and secularists do not. They may embrace short-term fulfillment, but without an eternal Creator there’s no ultimate purpose in life and no hope. We can’t live that way. Studies have shown that having purpose and meaning in life benefit both the young and old. We all need purpose!
Praise God, He has something meaningful for you to do today! This year! Seek it out, and let God demonstrate His power in your actions—large and small.
Before we can reliably know and understand God’s will, we must know God Himself.
Pastor Gregg Matte, Finding God’s Will
...There is no hope without ...GOD!
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Christians believe in a reality of purpose. Evolutionists, atheists, and secularists do not. They may embrace short-term fulfillment, but without an eternal Creator there’s no ultimate purpose in life and no hope. We can’t live that way. Studies have shown that having purpose and meaning in life benefit both the young and old. We all need purpose!
I don't think that's entirely true. I'm what you would call a secularist but I believe strongly that life has meaning, an ultimate purpose and its reality, as well I have hope. Also, I think the short term is an eternal term. I certainly see the value in religion but I think that others might share your experience without your particular orthodoxy.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Since when is Christian and evolutionist mutually exclusive?
IMHO, people give Christian a bad name. It's like saying Christian and human and confirmation bias are mutually exclusive.
We're better than that!
But some people, on both sides, believe we're worse. Ok.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jesus might just have to come back around to slap some sense into his followers.
There's a whole lotta too much focus on the talk and too little on the walk.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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As a negotiating position when it looked like Clinton would win:
"The system is rigged!"
Now as a negotiating position after he won:
"there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election"
Get ready to open your wallets for his next bankruptcy, as he learns to be president (the way he learned to be a businessman), because we're the ones who will be paying.
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