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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Well the Obama administration just decided to withdraw a weapons deal with Israel.
Three weeks ago, we asked you to make your voices heard by calling on the Obama Administration to withdraw its offer to Israel of 20 F-35 fighter jets, valued at $3 billion; a pledge not to request further "settlement freezes"; and a commitment to veto UN Security Council action affirming a Palestinian state, all in exchange for a paltry 90-day "settlement moratorium."
A large number of you responded and, yesterday, the State Department announced that it had withdrawn its offer to Israel. The announcement marked an important reversal by the Administration. But it said something more important...
http://www.aaper.org/site/lookup.asp?c=quIXL8MPJpE&b=3796979
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Go team S.A.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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A mere three billion for selling US fighter jets to Israel?
Why bother to sell them to them.
Just make out a sales contract, no need to fill in the amount.
Three billion IS the amount of US taxpayer's "foreign aid" to Israel.
Its a freebee.
And they wonder why the Muslim nations hate America.
When they see our armament used against them by Israel.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Socialism?
The USA IS the Nanny State for Israel.
Pure socialism.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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There will never be a peace accord until we tell Israel we aren't going to release another check until an agreement is signed.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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It is a WALL that dwarfs the Berlin wall. And it's path is constantly being moved to gobble up more Palestinian land. What will really be left for them once the Zionist feeding frenzy is brought to a halt?
Check out the work being done by Amr Khaled.
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Being able to free think, speak and write your own opinion publicly is of great value. No one should have to fear for their lives because of what political or religious party they belong to or write about. Religion is truly a poison on both sides when it comes to this issue. Violence, suppression and a deep hatred for the Jewish people is why Islam is not a peaceful Religion. Islamic law itself provides the evidence. They’re the Nazis of theses times.
Osama Binladen said that they would not rest until the flag of Islam flew over the White House. I think we should take him and the Iranians seriously. Don’t YOU.
Dawg.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 10, 2010 - 06:23pm PT
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Some of US are idiots?
Oh Fatty, that is the pot calling kettle black.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Dec 10, 2010 - 08:46pm PT
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Darfur:
Let’s see: jets go to Israel, Israel paint and ships them either to Egypt for future deal making or to South Africa to SANDF [South African National Defence Force] for use in the Sudan. South Africa gets what they want since their forces are aging and lack funding [they will forget a couple of things since their relationship with Israel are warming up]. Israel will help with the training and with paid mercs from the US and every other EU country will come. Israel gets what they want in either scenario; US/CIA gets what they want by not being in the picture. More guns and ammo made, missiles like the one Klimmer says.
Same story nothing new.
Will be not on Wikilinks or newer reconstructed web site in near future since this deal will be used the old fashion way: no phones, no cables,no texting, just communicating one on one in a very noising tity bar in Bangkok, notes passed and then burned and eaten. Suitcases of cash on their way.
One thing about Israel they keep their mouths shut on some things. They do have good software on if you are lying or not. Rumor is that US international airports will be using this tech or are now using them for incoming passengers and when passing them your passport will have to tell who and what was the reason for the overseas visit or why are you here and for Customs. Take a lot of valium just before landing.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 10, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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We beg you Fatty.
Pull OUT the butt plug.
NOW
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 10, 2010 - 09:06pm PT
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Yawn, who cares.
90% of Americans could not find Israel on a map.
And 100% of them would be pissed if they only knew that 3 billion dollars
of their tax dollars go to keep Israel a Nanny Child State.
Pure Socialism.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 10, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
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It just Stux for the Iranians.
"Ralph Langner, the German expert who was among the first to study and raise alarms about Stuxnet, said he was not surprised by the development.
“The Iranians don’t have the depth of knowledge to handle the worm or understand its complexity,” he said, raising the possibility that they may never succeed in eliminating it.
“Here is their problem. They should throw out every personal computer involved with the nuclear program and start over, but they can’t do that. Moreover, they are completely dependent on outside companies for the construction and maintenance of their nuclear facilities. They should throw out their computers as well. But they can’t,“ he explained. “They will just continually re-infect themselves.”
“With the best of expertise and equipment it would take another year for the plants to function normally again because it is so hard to get the worm out. It even hides in the back-up systems. But they can’t do it,” he said.
And Iran’s anti-worm effort may have had another setback. In Tehran, men on motorcycles attacked two leading nuclear scientists on their way to work. Using magnetic bombs, the motorcyclists pulled alongside their cars and attached the devices.
One scientist was wounded and the other killed. Confirmed reports say that the murdered scientist was in charge of dealing with the Stuxnet virus at the nuclear plants."
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/09/despite-iranian-claims-stuxnet-worm-causing-nuclear-havoc/
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 17, 2010 - 03:07pm PT
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So, Fatty, what's the news from al Jazeera? Maybe a somewhat different spin than your Israelographic nonsense? From the perspective of the Arab and Muslim public, and their governments, Israel doesn't even make the top ten in terms of real concerns.
Anyway, tempted to post a bunch of stuff from al Jazeera, but probably won't.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Dec 17, 2010 - 03:39pm PT
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Fatty
Think you had said on another thread and agreed;
"It is beyond you or I or Obama to change the minds of religious clerics in the ME, their minds were made up in 743, we are merely continuing the Crusades."
Another cleric but on this side of the street.
Bush would not have been in office if it was not for him, another reason why half of this country is still in the stone ages and can’t get anything done. He predicted lots of clashes, when the world was going to end 30 years ago, too many to quote here but people believed and still follow his ignorance. Only difference he makes a ton of money by it.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Dec 20, 2010 - 02:53pm PT
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Fatty posted on another thread you might have missed it so posting it again.
“What good is money is one cannot use it to oppress his fellow man”
Did your fellow buddy Dick give you that advice?
It’s official but sure would have been nice to see him in jail, plus he isn’t looking too good these days would not miss him when he goes. corruption, murders everything to make a buck or profit.
Are you sure he'll make to this year for the clean up.
Corruption is corruption you are part of it.
From The Guardian Nigeria Dec 14 2010 [half of article]
THE legal and diplomatic methods employed by the Nigerian Government in its on-going efforts to bring to book officials of Halliburton, including United States (U.S.) former Vice President, Richard “Dick” Cheney may have yielded some revenue for the country.
Following the filing of charges of criminal conspiracy against officials of Halliburton and Cheney, fervent calls were made to the Nigerian Negotiation Team and correspondences were initiated by some former top officials of the U.S. government and Halliburton culminating in a meeting last week in London.
At the said meeting concluded on Saturday, December 11 in London, between Halliburton officials and Federal Government’s negotiation team, the oil services firm resolved to pay to Nigeria the sum of N20 billion as criminal penalty. Halliburton also said it would get the U.S. government under the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT) to recover the outstanding $132 million, which is currently frozen in Switzerland and transfer same to Nigeria.
The said sum is the balance of the total bribe sum, which was frozen in Switzerland after the lid was blown off the bribe-for- contract deal, The Guardian learnt.
Investigations by The Guardian showed that these terms of settlement were reached after intense discussions in London between both parties, with former U.S. President George Bush (Snr.) and former U.S. Secretary of State, James Baker, joining the discussions via teleconference.
An impeccable source, who confirmed this development said: “Nigeria had fruitful discussions with Halliburton officials and some persons who occupied the highest office in the United States in the past phoned in to join in the discussions. I can confirm to you that by Friday night we had agreed on terms of settlement.”
The Nigerian negotiation team led by the Attorney-General of Federation and Justice Minister, Mohammed Bello Adoke (SAN) is composed of Secretary of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), Emmanuel Akomaye, a private legal practitioner, Damian Dodo (SAN), Special Prosecutor Godwin Obla and the Executive Secretary of the National Human Rights Commission, Roland Ewubare, whose international clout and experience has been very useful in the negotiations.
On Halliburton’s negotiation team at the meeting was its Chief Executive and Chairman, David Lesar, who took over from Cheney; the President of the firm, Eastern Hemisphere, Ahmed Lofty; Deputy General Counsel, James Ferguson; Oghogho Akpata of Templars Law firm and other senior executives of Halliburton drawn from the United Kingdom, Dubai and Dallas.
While Halliburton was seeking to pay a more lenient criminal penalty, the Nigerian officials stood their ground, insisting that the U.S. government could not have reaped more financial benefits on a crime committed in the Nigerian shores while Nigeria is left to pick the crumbs, the source disclosed.
“Government will not settle for anything less than what these firms have paid to the U.S. government. In fact, it is government’s view that it is better to liquidate criminal corporation than settle for anything less than the criminal fines and disgorgement paid to the U.S”, he stated.
Last week, he had explained to The Guardian that under the U.S. model, erring companies or individuals are to pay criminal penalty or fine in multiple of the amount of the transaction, disgorge all profits made from that deal and institute a three-year scheme of corporate compliance.
Already, the U.S. government has received about $1.28 billion in form of criminal fines and disgorgement of profits thereof from various firms involved, with Siemens paying €30 million, Halliburton $579 million, Snamprogetti and Technip paying $240 million each as fine and disgorgement to the U.S. government even though the crimes were committed in Nigeria and against Nigeria, the source explained.
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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Dec 21, 2010 - 03:18pm PT
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Fatts,
How much does Chernick pay you?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 21, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
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Who would be interested in donating to a fund to send DaftRat on a visit to the Middle East? He's never been, and I believe that such a trip would open his eyes to reality. Proposed itinerary:
 A week in a kibbutz on the occupied west bank, speaking solely Hebrew and Arabic. No internet.
A week in a tenement in Gaza.
A week in Jerusalem, where he will have guided tours of the holy places of all the different religions.
A week in Cairo.
A week in each of Baghdad, Riyadh, Amman, Damascus, Istanbul, Fez, and one or more of the emirates cities.
A week on a camel.
There is, of course, the minor problem that the Israeli religious police may not recognize Dafty as being Jewish, while those in Arab and Muslim countries will. Plus he'll have to have two passports.
I'll start by donating two cents to this worthy cause - in fact, I just did.
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