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The Chief
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:52am PT
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The way he assumes they were supposedly "contained" after the Russian Metroliner was blown out of the sky, the Beirut attack not less then four hours prior to his national televised assumption and the Paris and Mali attacks since his assumption.
Go figure.
BTW John M, do you concur with Obama that "ISIS has been contained"?
SUSAN:
"Ive been giving a great deal of thought to exactly where the balance is between protection of our privacy and liberties and huge intrusion into those all in the name of keeping us safe. Over the years we've seen how crazy it is to get on a flight."
Your words, not mine....
Such a terrible discomfort. Terrible....
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:53am PT
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My Syrian friends think Obama doesn't have a clue as to giving arms to the Syrian 'Rebels'.
They think they're all butt wipes who want to have Sharia, or worse, as in exterminate the
Christians who Assad has protected.
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Brokedownclimber
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Douglas, WY
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:54am PT
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Susan-
You and I agree that Rand Paul's position on the surveillance state is the correct one. So far, TSA has been an abject joke; all it does is piss people off. I'm good with baggage screening, as it is totally unobtrusive, as are the metal detectors. The pat downs and restrictions on toothpaste, mouth wash, etc. are unreasonable.
P.S. I've already donated to Rand Paul's campaign on the above basis.
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John M
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:54am PT
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you haven't answered my question Chief. You said you wanted him to contain them. What should we be doing that we aren't?
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The Chief
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:56am PT
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BTW Susan,
Do you have any clue as to why the biggest terrorist target on this planet, EL AL, has not had ONE issue since the early 70's?
Go figure...
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The Chief
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:03am PT
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I challenge you to name a presidential candidate who has a coherent strategy to deal with ISIS - name that person, I challenge you.
How about we just focus on the dood that currently is in charge and how he has been dealing with these fkers and supposedly "containing" them, Crankaloon.
My Solution Crankaloon...
Do as the President of France has ordered to be done. Sending in his baddest and most ruthless head hunters (the FFL's 4th and 13th Demi Reg's) to start terminating and containing these azzholes. One by one if need be.
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John M
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:03am PT
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Chief, I will answer your question, but you need to answer mine. You have implied that we are not doing enough to contain ISIS, so what more should we do?
My answer to your question. No.. we have not contained them. We have put a dent in what they are doing, but that isn't enough. Its much like Bush's "mission accomplished". They both screwed up with those statements.
So now.. what more can we do that we aren't doing already?
Edit: Okay.. I see you edit above. Thanks..
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crankster
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No. Tahoe
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:04am PT
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OK, El Jefe, let's do that. Any planes flying into US skyscrapers lately?
You've picked a word, "contained" out of all the words the president has spoken regarding ISIS. You are just plain wrong. Dig deeper, please.
Read: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/15/ben-rhodes/what-barack-obama-said-about-isis-being-contained/
Our ruling
Rhodes said that when Obama said ISIS was contained, he "was responding very specifically to the geographic expansion of ISIL in Iraq and Syria."
Looking back at Obama’s interview where he made this comment, it is quite clear that it’s within a narrowly defined scope: ISIS’s territorial expansion in Iraq and Syria. He did not rule out the potential for a terrorist attack, and he also made it clear that the United States’ anti-ISIS efforts are a work in progress.
References or suggestions that Obama claimed ISIS no longer presents an active threat are incorrect.
Further, experts told us that Obama is right that ISIS hasn’t expanded in the region in recent months, though this doesn’t give a full picture of ISIS’s global reach.
Rhodes’ statement rates True.
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SC seagoat
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Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:12am PT
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:56am PT
BTW Susan,
Do you have any clue as to why the biggest terrorist target on this planet, EL AL, has not had ONE issue since the early 70's?
Go figure...
Cuz they're so expensive? Lousy kosher food?
geez Chief. Sometimes I think you have a hard on for me... I don't know you...should I be thrilled? But I'm way too experienced for a jv player.
Susan
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The Chief
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:14am PT
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You sure are SUSAN... so experienced. My bad.
I don't know you...should I be thrilled? But I'm way too experienced for a jv player.
I thought you "don't know me" yet you can categorize me. Go figure, again.
You've picked a word, "contained" out of all the words the president has spoken regarding ISIS. You are just plain wrong.
So, you Crankaloon now agree with Obama that ISIS is "Contained"?
My answer to your question. No.. we have not contained them. We have put a dent in what they are doing, but that isn't enough. Its much like Bush's "mission accomplished". They both screwed up with those statements.
So because Bush fked up, it's ok that the current POTUS follows suite some thirteen years later.
Got it.
You people are a laugh a minute. Seriously.
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mtnyoung
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Twain Harte, California
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:21am PT
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Do as the President of France has ordered to be done. Sending in his baddest and most ruthless head hunters (the FFL's 4th and 13th Demi Reg's) to start terminating and containing these azzholes. One by one if need be.
The Chief:
OK, so the French send in small, well armed, elite units (probably backed up by U.S. command, control, transportation and logistics). I have no problem with this part of your equation.
But how do they "start terminating" these as#@&%es? (Another point of agreement there - they're as#@&%es, or worse). You make is sound so easy.
Do they just start slaughtering people?
The US had fantastic forces in Iraq, and yet they struggled to "solve" the problem.
Are we (the West) headed to looser rules of engagement? Seriously, how can the FFL start terminating these as#@&%es without massive "civilian" casualties?
(I put civilian in quotes because anyone who thinks there's a bright-line test between fighters and civilians in an environment like that is nuts).
And BTW, I don't know what the solution is on this issue - I just know that I never want US troops on the ground in a situation where they cannot solve the problem because they have to act as detective, investigator, district attorney and judge all before they can switch their guns off from "safety."
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mtnyoung
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Twain Harte, California
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:23am PT
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And by the way, I think we can all agree that the FFL is truly elite. I roll my eyes again and again when commentators call military units like the Iraqi Republican Guards "elite."
But again, how does this solution work if they don't know who to "fight?"
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Brokedownclimber
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Douglas, WY
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:26am PT
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DMT-
Gasp! I am in agreement with your above statement!! Both Bush II and Obama have screwed the pooch. As yes, the way Russia is going, they'll wind up controlling the bulk of ME oil.
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mtnyoung
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Twain Harte, California
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:29am PT
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Dabbling is what got us here.
That's my point.
DMT's got a southern boy's way of boiling it down.
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The Chief
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:31am PT
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how can the FFL start terminating these as#@&%es without massive "civilian" casualties?
The exact same way the Mossad has been doing for decades as have the FFL's Head Hunters throughout all regions of the world that France has "interests" in.
Are we (the West) headed to looser rules of engagement?
BTW, you do know the primary original (and what they actually did for over 12 years or so most of which is still highly Classified btw) mission of Dick Marcinko's ST6 (MOB-6) and Delta, do you not MTNYOUNG?
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Mungeclimber
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Nothing creative to say
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:39am PT
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Everyone avoids the question of getting good intel to make targeted strikes.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:40am PT
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The exact same way the Mossad has been doing for decades as have the FFL's Head Hunters throughout all regions of the world that France has "interests" in.
Sorry, The Chief, it doesn't work that way. And you should know better.
I agree that the Mossad is very effective in what they do. But they work mostly under cover on a relatively small scale (taking out the worst of the worst one would assume).
Real, identifiable military units don't work that way. You're talking about battalion level units of troops, not covert operatives. It's apples and oranges (both of which are fruits, but the similarity ends there).
How does a sizable, real military unit like the FFL "start terminating" these as#@&%es on a larger scale basis?
How do they do that without running into the exact same quagmires as troops have when pitted against the Viet Cong/Taliban/Fedayeen, etcetera, ad naseum?
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Larry Nelson
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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Great points in your post Dingus!
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The Chief
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Nov 20, 2015 - 10:43am PT
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How do they do that without running into the exact same quagmires as troops have when pitted against the Viet Cong/Taliban/Fedayeen, etcetera, ad naseum?
MTNYOUG, let's go back to the original mission platform for the SEAL community in Vietnam.
Both the VC and NVA feared "The Men with Green Faces". They came out of the dark in the dead of night and either took or terminated their targets without a sound or evidence of their operation. Their mission completion rate in Vietnam was over 98% with minimal to no "Civilian" casualties. Their ROE's were, well, they had none. They were given "open season" exemption to complete their ops by JFK and then Johnson.
Do your homework Mtnyoung.
The FFL's 13th Demi is far more experienced than the SEALS in "Covert Termination" operations as they have been at it since WWII. Their record of terminating Bad Guys is pretty much unmatched by any other "elite" team of Head Hunters. They have been France's go to extreme "911" since the Nazi's over ran France.
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