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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Oct 16, 2012 - 11:40am PT
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More to say about the usefulness or quality of this thread later but in the meantime...
She was CAUGHT talking to men! 15-year-old girl gets 60 lashes from religious police. Guess which religion.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1015/breaking56.html?via=mr
One takeaway: If you're heading to Timbuktu, be careful.
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Part II:
It occurs to me...
The very culprits that can ruin an adventure in rockclimbing... namely (1) casualness, (2) distraction and (3) ignorance... can also derail these threads and spoil their quality.
So if one can, by whatever means, manage these culprits, maybe a thread like this one can be saved. Maybe.
May be worthwhile, for in these times esp there ARE more than a few exciting ideas and developments (like the "current affair" mentioned above) out there worth discussing - esp in my view among and between those climber-philosophers who are thinking beyond religions and theisms (atheists, e.g., otherwise naturalists, moderns, etc.).
Maybe. ;)
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EDIT
Eeyonkee, What a nice compliment, unexpected. Thank you.
“A true friend is someone who thinks that you are a good egg even though he knows that you are slightly cracked.”
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Oct 16, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
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You're a good egg, HFCS.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Oct 17, 2012 - 05:34am PT
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Separate parts, what's supposedly relative to something else, and the passing notions of evaluations all help to build a sense of individuality and difference that ignores what must also be a complete unity. It presents a paradox, or at least understanding cannot be expressed or understood verbally or conceptually. Your responses are all perfectly logical and rational.
Mike, I think that there is a Unity and that there are individuals both. There is a system of how things work and in the system there are a multitude of individuals carrying out that work. Much like any other system; the human body with arms, ears, legs, heart, lungs, on down to the single cells that make each individual part function. There is no ignorance of the complete unity but an understanding that the unity is made up of a multitude of parts.
You seem to be saying that because there is a "unity" or a "whole" the parts don't matter into and of themselves. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Try this, if you will. (i) Reality is perfect. It must be. Nothing in reality can be out of place, wrong, inappropriate, improper, or can be made better or worse. So, what's to evaluate? (ii) Reality expresses (or we see) multiplicity / infinite diversity, but at the same time there is only one reality. Which is it? Is it one of those statements, both, neither?
Please define "perfect". I tried to do this years ago while taking a shower and realized two things: either everything is perfect or nothing is. I actually think that there is no such thing as "perfection". I think, "perfection" is a word or an idea brought forth by humanity to either validate or invalidate certain thoughts or ideas. It's a human construct. There is no perfect or imperfect. So, yes, it's all relative.
The idea that there are individual beings who have relative thoughts about their lives, thinking about themselves, their pain, their joy, happiness or worries, and then making the argument that because they or we are a part of a larger "unity" it doesn't matter is asinine.
I exist. I have been and am living my life. You exist. You have been and are living your life. The Universe continues. We are a part of that universe. The One is us. We are a part of the One.
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Borut
climber
french, spider
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Nov 22, 2012 - 06:42am PT
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Whatever, when the Night is at its coldest - just before the sun... that's when we started speaking necessity.
Not to mention Orient, also checked Apeiron, Arche. Goes words back though. Uh.. looks like in the past nothing was necessary.
Gravity? Time!... just dreams.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 22, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
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Have fun Atheists. Can you just do me a favor and leave us Christians and our well-founded traditions to us?
Why don't you ass-hats go save some Muslims from themselves? Oh, that's right, they will actually fight back and kill your infidel asses! You people pick on easy targets like peaceful Christians. That will change. Christians are starting to get pissed off too.
Atheists are to religion like PETA to eating food. Eat veggies and leave me the f*#k alone!!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 22, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
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Let's be clear here as to what the atheist agenda is;
It is not merely a person who chooses to not believe in a divine entity, known to many as God, but to tear down the fabric of Christian culture. And more.
I know you mother-f*ckers. Well.
This country was founded by God-fearing men, yes MEN, who thought that divine providence gave men and women their rights, not government.
Government was created by men through God's will and spirit in this country. Other country's chose differently and they are now losers. We chose wisely. At least our founders did. They were wise, and they crafted a Constitution based on God's law.
And it works well.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 22, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
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Happy Thanksgiving Day, Atheist (& Theist)!!!
thnx, blue!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 22, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
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Have a good one, splitter!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Nov 22, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
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I know you mother-f*ckers. Well.
Blue, thought-provoking posts there.
So while you (as a Christian) believe in Jehovah (God of Abraham and Moses), I believe in Zeus and his Son Apollo and his Daughter, Artemis. It's just that I believe the ancient Greeks, not the ancient Hebrews, had a better account of divinity and what is divine. So I wonder if they would count as divinities to your way of thinking, and I wonder if you would you consider me an atheist because they are not the Christian God.
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go-B
climber
Hebrews 1:3
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Nov 22, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
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Whoa! : cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 22, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
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So while you (as a Christian) believe in Jehovah (God of Abraham and Moses), I believe in Zeus and his Son Apollo and his Daughter, Artemis. It's just that I believe the ancient Greeks, not the ancient Hebrews, had a better account of divinity and what is divine. So I wonder if they would count as divinities to your way of thinking, and I wonder if you would you consider me an atheist because they are not the Christian God.
Yer a deist, by definition, bro. So, no, you're not an atheist.
Carry on....
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Borut
climber
french, spider, cheater
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Nov 23, 2012 - 03:58am PT
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Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 23, 2012 - 11:49am PT
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Can you just do me a favor and leave us Christians and our well-founded traditions to us?
Why don't you ass-hats go save some Muslims from themselves? Oh, that's right, they will actually fight back and kill your infidel asses! You people pick on easy targets like peaceful Christians. That will change. Christians are starting to get pissed off too.
Atheists are to religion like PETA to eating food. Eat veggies and leave me the f*#k alone!!!!
Peaceful Christians?
Good One Blue!!!1111666.
Wait...I'm confused...who are the infidels?
edit: Thanks Jim, Count me in. But which sect is trying to kill me?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 23, 2012 - 11:57am PT
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Infidel means literally "one without faith." Faith is belief that does not rest on logic or material evidence.....I rest my case.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 23, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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Infidel means literally "one without faith." Faith is belief that does not rest on logic or material evidence.....I rest my case.
Stop using logic, Jim. Sell your line of bullshit to an Islamist and get back to me. Hopefully your head will still be intact.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 23, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 23, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
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Oh yes, Marlow, anti-theists would love to marginalize people like me to Don Quixote status. I know.
Keep it up.
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Borut
climber
french, spider, cheater
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Nov 23, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 23, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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Hate to say it bluering but you always talk before you think and most of what comes out of your mouth is moronic with a nice dash of racism.....was Tuesday 11/6 a fun day for you?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 23, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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I have no idea what yer talking about, Jim. I am a racist now?
Dude, WTF? You are increasingly getting weird.
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