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WBraun
climber
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:22pm PT
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You are the one guessing and speculating mono ..
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:24pm PT
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Warner, do you know what those loud noises were?
K-man was 'mentally speculating' that they were explosives.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:25pm PT
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Yes, Werner doesn't like it when you think, you should just know like him.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:26pm PT
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Yes, Werner is funny.
If you say 'think' he accuses you of 'mental speculation'.
If you say 'I know' he says 'how could you, you were not there'.
Yee Haw, 1000th post (don't anybody delete one now)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:30pm PT
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[Man, I just HAVE to turn my computer off!]
... assume all loud noises are explosives.
Mono, no assumptions about explosives. Watch the clip. The news casters, eyewitnesses, say they witnessed explosions BEFORE the towers fell.
[Ed: Mono, why did you put 'mentally speculating' in quotes? Time to admit it, you're being a jerk.]
When evidence surfaces that exonerates a man of a crime, what happens? The prosecution does not instantly have the answers about the crime, they must go back and review the evidence and findings in an attempt to figure out what happened.
Believers who ask Truthers questions like "So, how many buildings were wired with explosives" is pretty lame--as if folks who question the official story know the answers as to what actually happened.
Many have said it on this thread. But Baba said it best.
Don't know what happened, but I do know the official story is BS. Time to take the lid off the septic tank and review the mess inside.
Or not. Baaaa
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:39pm PT
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Yes, there were reports of explosions. Lot's of people say 'it sounded like an explosion' when they hear a loud noise. It was amazingly chaotic.
You still have not explained why the heck there would be 'secondary explosives' going off after the collapse?
Care to 'mentally speculate'?
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:42pm PT
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And of course lots of people who were not there speak for those that were there ......
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:43pm PT
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Hehe, those were mechanical floors Jolly, not designed to give the building strength, only to house equipment.
Read the description of the 17th floor of the Madrid building.
Much different design with more steel and more concrete and designed specifically to give the building more strength. I suppose it was just a coincidence that the collapse stopped there.
The 75th(?) and 108th(?) floor of the WTC were mechanical floors. Thats 30+ floors unprotected by any alleged firewall floor.
Jolly, since you don't want to talk about the concrete core of the Madrid building, I'll assume you think that's an important distinction compared to the WTC. You are making good progress.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:53pm PT
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The pressure and compression of the falling building was easily enough to heat steel to melting, set off explosions in trapped air pockets, etc, without any source of fire at all. True?
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jul 17, 2010 - 06:54pm PT
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I don't think so. (oops, sorry Werner, is said 'think'. my bad)
Now I've really got to focus on getting some more work done. Will check back later.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 17, 2010 - 07:12pm PT
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If you want to theorize, guess and "I think" that's perfectly fine.
But don't try and pass that off as fact to a crime scene ....
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jul 17, 2010 - 08:56pm PT
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Nice, Jennie... Your kung fu is good.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jul 17, 2010 - 09:27pm PT
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Once again . . . but especially for Jennie since she didn't get it the previous times . . .
Multi-tonne steel sections, ejected laterally in arcing projectile motion, 600 ft. at 50mph. Please tell me how that occurs without massive amounts of explosives? It can not be done only due to a building falling vertically at near free-fall accelerations into it's own footprint.
Projectile motion of massive tonne steel beams requires explosives. You can not get around this. Remember, projectile motion upward and outward in a long 600 ft. (600 ft. = horizontal distance from building) arc at 50mph. There is an incredible amount of images and film footage showing this. These massive steel beams were launched by explosives. An excessive amount of explosives. Can't happen due to falling forces only. Impossible.
All of the evidence points to explosives. If you can not get this then this . . .
must be true.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Jul 17, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
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Yeah, plenty of incontrovertible evidence from iron-clad sources . . .
. . . just like the Ark of the Moon, Bible Code, Alien Angels, and what else Klimmer???
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 17, 2010 - 09:38pm PT
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jennie--mechanical compression heating steel to the smelting point of 1510C (2750F)? you're in the wrong business. screw those energy-consuming blast furnaces. just truck the scrap to the top of el cap (about three times the height of the twin towers, btw), heave-ho, and collect the molten slag at the base.
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here you go, monolith--an ignorant, terrified, unprofessional eyewitness to the explosions, assistant fdny commissioner stephen gregory, from the oral histories material i mentioned previously:
“In my conversation with Lt. Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought—at that time I didn’t know what it was—I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash, flash, flash, and then it looked like the building came down.”
Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
“No, the lower level of the building. You know, like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw. And I didn’t broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said, ‘I don’t know if I’m crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me.’ He said, ‘Did you see any flashes?’ I said, ‘Yes, well, I thought it was just me.’ He said, ‘No, I saw them too.’”
is that another thing we'll get dropping things off el cap, air compression causing "flash, flash, flash"?
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please, just one more here, again from the oral histories:
an eyewitness named Kevin McPadden, an Air Force search-and-rescue worker, tells of being near a Red Cross worker with a handheld radio just before the fall of Building 7.
"The man was trying to clear people from the area, he took his hand off the phone speaker, and there was a countdown, 'three … two … one …' And then there was an explosion, a distant rumbling sound, and down came Building 7."
do fires destroy buildings to countdowns?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jul 17, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
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Yeah, plenty of incontrovertible evidence from iron-clad sources . . .
. . . just like the Ark of the Moon, Bible Code, Alien Angels, and what else Klimmer???
Wandafuca,
And what does anything you just said, how does it have any relevance, to the price of Tea in China?
Let me see if I get your arguement style . . .
I say: 9-11.
You say: Blueman Group.
That about sums it up.
Not to pick on Blueman Group, they are awesome, but no real connection to the days events of 9-11-2001.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 17, 2010 - 10:05pm PT
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rrrad keeps promising to weigh anchor, but i think he's glued to his computer. good thing the crew's wearing bikinis--no hindrance of body movement as they wrestle him down and lash him to the mast. and as they sink slowly into the bermuda triangle ...
glug, glug ...
ignore, ignore ...
deny, deny ...
:-D
just kidding, dude--good sailing out there.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Jul 17, 2010 - 10:41pm PT
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And what does anything you just said, how does it have any relevance, to the price of Tea in China?
You are an unreliable source providing unreliable sources.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 17, 2010 - 11:40pm PT
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Monoditz are you a complete moron or just unbelievably oppositional?
It has been repeatedly explained to you that scores of eye and ear witnesses saw and heard multiple explosions some quite large BEFORE the buildings fell. Let me repeat that; BEFORE THE BUILDINGS FELL. A great many of these witnesses were highly trained professionals who could clearly differentiate between background noises and explosions.
Those explosions were registered with their time line by many seismic centers.
I can't wait for you to come back and claim those were the sounds of the buildings collapsing.
Stick to your guns man what's truth got to do with anything?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jul 18, 2010 - 12:07am PT
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Wandafuca,
You must suffer from ADHD. You have an incredibly hard time staying on topic. I'll be glad to debate you on all said topics in the correct ST OT threads.
This is about 9-11. When you can't show any evidence and back-up your arguements you just resort to ad hominem attacks. Yea, when you can't think your way out, then personally attack the person you dissagree with and just make it up as you go. Sadly it happens here at ST too often. Weak tactics for weak . . . well you fill in the blank.
I constantly give sources. Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them questionable or wrong. Apparently, all your sources are pre-approved/pre-screened by the US Government. Boy, controlling your thought process is pretty easy then. You have made it easy for them. You are truly compliant. Good for you. (Sarcasm)
Notice, I do not personally attack anyone. I don't call them names. Notice, I don't say anyone is unreliable, or their sources are unreliable because that is pretty much indefensible without the evidence and then backing it up. I'm above that behavior.
If you are going to use that tactic without evidence and the arguements to back it up, just spouting, then I'm calling you on it.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
 Mahatma Gandhi
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