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Bushman
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The state of quantum flux
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Dec 21, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
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Kurt Gödel: his Ontological Proof which logicians and mathematicians are still struggling to disprove even by using supercomputers! I'm sure some of our resident StuporTopo logicians can destroy it in a sentence or two.
I'm no mathematician or logician, but I'll give it a bushman go;
Gödel's ontological proof of God is seated in the validity of it's five axioms. If they fail or are flawed, the proof is then flawed. One axiom states that if the existence of a Godlike or superior being exists in one place, then it stands to reason that God exists in all places. The equation requires a variable, a definition of a godlike or superior being relative to a subordinate.
Here Gödel's equation becomes flawed by the variable that were a single subordinate to transcend God through technology, evolution, or education in one world, then according to the axiom, it would stand to reason that this would happen in all worlds.
Blasphemy, I've done it again.
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WBraun
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Dec 22, 2016 - 12:47pm PT
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Meanwhile, you continue your ever present persecuting of religion.
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PSP also PP
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Berkeley
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Dec 22, 2016 - 04:50pm PT
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/sports/basketball/steve-kerr-golden-state-warriors.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
From the NYT article about steve Kerr (warriors coach) And Kerr is, too: a man whose grandparents left the United States to work in the Middle East, whose father was raised there, whose mother adopted it, whose family has a different and broader perspective than most. The Kerrs are a family touched by terrorism in the most personal way. Malcolm Kerr was not a random victim. He was a target.
That gives Steve Kerr a voice. His job gives him a platform. You will excuse him if he has a few things to say.
“It’s really simple to demonize Muslims because of our anger over 9/11, but it’s obviously so much more complex than that,” he said. “The vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people, just like the vast majority of Christians and Buddhists and Jews and any other religion. People are people.”
He delved into modern Middle East history, about World War II and the Holocaust and the 1948 creation of Israel, about the Six-Day War in 1967, about peace accords and the Israel-Palestine conflict and the Iraq War and the United States’ scattered chase for whatever shifting self-interest it has at any particular time.
“My dad would have been able to explain it all to me,” Kerr said. Instead, he absorbed it as a boy and applies it as an adult. “He at least gave me the understanding that it’s complex. And as easy as it is to demonize people, there’s a lot of different factors involved in creating this culture that we’re in now.”
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PSP also PP
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Berkeley
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Dec 22, 2016 - 05:07pm PT
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It's an interesting article DMT.
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PSP also PP
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Berkeley
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Dec 22, 2016 - 05:22pm PT
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Yeh; but, he is a millionaire basketball employee whose grandparents and father and mother and he lived much of their lives in the middle east. His father was the president of American university in Beirut and was assassinated when Kerr was 18. It's a good read.
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BLUEBLOCR
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joshua tree
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Dec 22, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
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That is an excellent read, thanks PSPP
Dingus I bet you've bought atleast 4 things Oprah has endorsed;O
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 22, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
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WB, take another couple months hiatus.
Religions don't need to be respected any more than any political ideology or philosophical system.
It's time beliefs are warranted on a basis of evidence, reason and good argument - at least insofar as they are truth-claims (claims to truth).
Beliefs matter. They are NOT inconsequential.
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i-b-goB
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Wise Acres
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Dec 22, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
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True Story, Pure Joy
December 22, 2016
When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy.
Matthew 2:10
Recommended Reading: Luke 1:46-55
Jesus came wrapped in the swaddling clothes of joy. The words “joy” and “rejoice” fill the original story of Christmas. The Virgin Mary exclaimed, “My spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior” (Luke 1:47). When the angel Gabriel appeared to Zacharias, he promised, “You will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice…” (Luke 1:14). When Elizabeth heard Mary’s voice, she said, “The babe leaped in my womb for joy” (Luke 1:44). When the Magi saw the wondrous star, “they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy” (Matthew 2:10). And, of course, the angels brought the shepherds “good tidings of great joy” (Luke 2:10).
Sometimes the emotions of Christmas are pensive and reflective, and occasionally even sad and lonely. Those are understandable feelings as we contemplate an event so profound and wonderful. But don’t forget the “rejoicing” part! This season is all about celebrating the birth of Jesus, the One who made it possible for all of us to someday live in heaven for eternity. The celebration of a true story should always be a source of pure joy.
Joy to the world, the Lord has come! Let earth receive her King!
...Surely goodness and lovingkindness will follow me all the days of my life, And I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever! : )
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 22, 2016 - 08:22pm PT
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Bryan asked, "what do "supercomputers" have to do with it?"
I guess yer not up on Gödel or modal logic. "In 2014, Christoph Benzmüller and Bruno Woltzenlogel-Paleo gave a computer-checked proof of modal collapse.[14]:97 "
FYI, Kant was in his grave 137 years before Gödel wrote his proof.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 22, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Dec 22, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
WB, take another couple months hiatus.
Religions don't need to be respected any more than any political ideology or philosophical system.
It's time beliefs are warranted on a basis of evidence, reason and good argument - at least insofar as they are truth-claims (claims to truth).
Beliefs matter. They are NOT inconsequential.
Dingus, i know you said Fruitloop is people to, but what kind of people? We can all say he's a fake person around here, he's FakeFruit!
Hail The Most Unhonorable FakeFruit
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MikeL
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Southern Arizona
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Dec 22, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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Bushman:
I think you provided a good read of Godel’s Proof. I take it that you don’t believe it. Logic does not answer everything. It’s helpful and all, but making sure that logic works hardly says whether you know what you’re talking about. Logic can encourage you to say some remarkably stupid things. Look at history.
DMT:
My brother. I can’t tell which is more interesting: (i) you or (ii) the blond I’m getting broadcasted to in the sidebar right now. And I tell you, she is damned fetching.
PSP:
Hey, Bud.
You say Kerr said: . . . “there’s a lot of different factors involved in creating this culture that we’re in now.”
This absolves no one. Explanations are not proper responses to transgressions. Turning the other cheek worked only for Christ because he was Christ. You get the full-on right here and right now to say what you don’t agree with—here and now. Not yesterday or tomorrow. Those aren’t available, . . . ever.
One of the things that I love about Zen is its somewhat militant view about not being engaged. It’s “Man up; there’s no room for excuses.” You gotta love that, right?
We are here in “the here and now.” Not the then; not the “here’s my excuse.”
These people you’re referring to are not engaged. When you’re engaged, none of this kind of talking shows up . . . i.e., mainly explanations.
Find that perfect response . . . from self-immolation to chopping wood and carrying water.
Ethics is not the practice.
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Bushman
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The state of quantum flux
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Dec 23, 2016 - 06:31am PT
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the Big Avocado
I pray to the Big Avocada
No reason except that I gotta
Always there in a clutch
I love it so much
But for you it just might do nada
-bushman
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 23, 2016 - 10:02am PT
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"Tear apart his philosophy. Defeat him on the battlefield of ideas... Don't succumb to the cheap shot."
Thanks, Dingus.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 23, 2016 - 10:06am PT
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Meanwhile, passage of aforementioned bill paves the way for formal U.S. censure of nations (e.g., Bangladesh, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia) that persecute a-theists for their "disbelief" -most notably their disbelief in Islam. I call this progress on the global front. :)
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I guess nobody got my "unpresidented" joke.
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"Right now, one of the best scifi shows on TV —heck, one of the best shows on TV— is The Expanse on Syfy. Set about 200 years in the future, it’s about the people and fragile politics between Earth, Mars, and the people who live in the asteroid belt."
"What I said is true: The way they stick to real science as much as they can in the show is amazing, accurately depicting how things would work in space."
-Phil Plait, astronomer
Any Star Trek fans watching?
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WBraun
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Dec 23, 2016 - 10:06am PT
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on the battlefield of ideas
On the battlefield of ideas is nothing but mental speculations.
Guessing, it's the foundation of modern material science.
He's got nothing if you base it on that ......
Plus he takes zero responsibility for anything he says by remaining anonymous, this is the path taken by cowards.
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WBraun
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Dec 23, 2016 - 10:20am PT
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There is no need for God says modern material scientists.
But we are god (authority) says modern scientists indirectly all while simultaneously denying God.
Modern defective scientists futilely measuring Perfection with their defective error prone instruments masquerading their defective incomplete data as authoritative misleading themselves and their flock.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Dec 23, 2016 - 10:39am PT
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the Big Avocado
Why is your pit so big?
Cus you shall have no other gods before Me!
And that's not just guacamole!
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