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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 9, 2015 - 11:43am PT
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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 9, 2015 - 11:32pm PT
With a warning of another Santa Ana Wind event about to happen, and having just gotten over another, it occured to me....what's up with that???

I tend to be sensitive to wind conditions, being a sailor out on the water nearly weekly. I think of Santa Anas as being an october-timed event, for the most part. Not Jan-Feb.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 10, 2015 - 08:44am PT
As Dingus notes, there was/is a big push to re-evaluate and reinforce many of those structures. The dam at Perris is about to start construction on reinforcement any time now.

The odd thing at Perris is, despite the drought, the groundwater basin is basically full. Cal water project feeds the lake as I understand it, with the original dam structure designed to infiltrate into the aquifer.

So my work campus, being only a few miles away from the dam, and upgradient of the subsurface flows, is experiencing rising groundwater to the tune of 0.5-2ft PER YEAR for several decades now, primarily because the lake infiltration is cutting off the upgradient flow paths. This has been happening more or less since the 70s, and is becoming critical now with std construction projects hitting groundwater at depths as shallow as 8ft. Stormwater detention basins, which are required to empty in a certain period of time after rain events (can't have standing water in them all the time) are now hitting groundwater during construction of the basins...I see this more frequently as all these warehouse mega projects get built in the Riverside/MoVal/Orangecrest zone.

This, in turn, means that water is infiltrating underground utilities like electrical/communications conduit banks, storm drains, sanitary sewer lines, etc. I've heard the AirForce base just a couple miles away is having the same issues but slightly worse, we met with them a couple months ago in a large gathering of local govts, businesses, stakeholders.

Irony of ironies...major drought, in the desert, and we have too much water. Have to wonder what the long-term plan is for cal water project with respect to the Lake. If they intended to use the infilitration for storage, they were wildly successful...but now what? Need to cut the flow this far south, redirect it to a better use than raising already problematic groundwater levels.
10b4me

climber
Feb 13, 2015 - 07:26am PT
I have been reading that some ski resorts are open for mountain biking now.
JerryA

Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
Feb 13, 2015 - 08:07am PT
Drove up Hwy.395 from Lone Pine to Minden yesterday . The High Sierra snowpack is very thin & very high for this time of year . Weather is warmer than most Springs . Good cycling .
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 13, 2015 - 09:34am PT
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6223/707.full
Science 13 February 2015: Vol. 347 no. 6223 p. 707
DOI: 10.1126/science.347.6223.707

IN DEPTH
MODELS

Models predict longer, deeper U.S. droughts

Emily Underwood

Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
Feb 13, 2015 - 10:39am PT
Here in Bishop we have had .61 inches, 9% of normal. Shorts and t shirt today.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 15, 2015 - 09:38am PT
Re: Perris

I don't understand the thinking, there. It is a great opportunity to pump groundwater for the benefit of the community. Cheap, assured, clean water.

I agree, it seems like the flooding of the aquifer has been successful----it just seems like they don't know how to deal with success?

Could there be a groundwater contamination problem, like we have in the San Fernando Valley, that'll cost a billion to fix?

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 15, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
This doesn't need to be a huge problem for Ca, just a complicated manageable one.

There are a variety of engineering processes that can tremendously insulate a community/city from this.

The farming situation is more complex, but ultimately manageable, as well.

Ultimately, it needs to be seen as a sin to be WASTING water.

Not that we should be using the same ones, but there were civilizations that solved this problem a thousand years ago.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 15, 2015 - 02:28pm PT
For whatever it's worth, NASA is reported to be predicting a "megadought" in the US west.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/14/us/nasa-study-western-megadrought/index.html
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 15, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
Let's all just move to Phoenix.
Daily highs over 100 degrees for about 4 months per year.
Metro area population
1980 1.5 million
2012 4.3 million
2030 6.3 million est.
10b4me

Social climber
Feb 16, 2015 - 08:43am PT
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.html

Which means there is a forty to fifty percent chance it won!t happen.
WBraun

climber
Feb 16, 2015 - 08:47am PT
You can make it rain tomorrow in California.

Modern fool scientists have no knowledge how.

They only know how to cause the effects of making no rain.

All these stupid modern scientists have is to cause droughts and extreme weather due to their foolish consciousness.

It all begins in consciousness .....
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 16, 2015 - 08:52am PT
Like the day DWP seeded clouds over Mammoth and Bishop ended up buried in snow...Oopsie..!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 17, 2015 - 10:43am PT
Cheer up, the rain's coming...these are from 2013, shot from the top of my world.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 17, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
The Chief...I hope you're right , for once , about the , ah , climate , uh , weather...rj
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 19, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
NCEP forecast for March 2015 as of Feb 19:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/30day/

SW USA:
Temperature: Warm
Precip: Average. Above avg only in Arizona/new Mexico

3 month forecast:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/long_range/seasonal.php?lead=1
Temperature: warm
Precip: above average for SoCal, AZ, NM

Only the 8-14 day forecast is wet for the entire west, a period of only 1 week.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Feb 19, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
I was surprised to see an article today that claims the Colorado snowpack is within 2% of normal this year everywhere but the very southwestern part of the state. That's good news for you guys too in terms of the Colorado River flow to southern California.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 19, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
These links say Colorado overall about 80% snowpack

http://graphs.water-data.com/ucsnowpack/

~ Average north of Interstate-70
Under average mostly south of that.

http://www.capitalpress.com/Water/20150219/colorado-snowpack-a-bright-spot-amid-western-drought

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/reports/UpdateReport.html?report=Ski+West+Report

http://www.usbr.gov/uc/water/notice/snowpack.html

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/data/water/wcs/gis/maps/co_swepctnormal.pdf

http://www3.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/reports/UpdateReport.html?textReport=Colorado&textRptKey=5&textFormat=SNOTEL+Snow%2FPrecipitation+Update+Report&StateList=5&RegionList=Select+a+Region+or+Basin&SpecialList=Select+a+Special+Report&MonthList=February&DayList=19&YearList=2015&FormatList=N0&OutputFormatList=HTML&textMonth=February&textDay=19&CompYearList=select+a+year

http://www.onthesnow.com/colorado/skireport.html

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/reports/UpdateReport.html?report=Ski+West+Report
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 19, 2015 - 07:56pm PT
The forecasters were saying that Feb. this year was going to be above noraml and they were wrong..at least for the the eastside...Basing forecasts on historical averages is more math than science...
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