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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Dec 19, 2016 - 04:50pm PT
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Oh, please, tell it to Rick Perry, Ted Cruz, Mike Hucklebee... Frank and Anne Graham... and the umpteen million others. You're living under something of an ivory rock.
The fundamentalists you complain about are simply the opposite side of your own coin.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Dec 19, 2016 - 06:47pm PT
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Base 104 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thanks
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 19, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
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Base, I knew you are a Christian and no atheist. Do you think one is able to say yes one day, then say no on another. Do you think Paul originally Saul BECAME a Christian the day Jesus gave him back his sight? God isn't restricted to the box we call time. You just need to merge through the question of your stupid mind.
Same to you Norton, Bushy, and even Fruitless,..
PS, cartoons are soooo kindergarten
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 19, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Be it may for a lack in confrontation with out a scalp to hold high overhead and the obligatory cry; BOWwwww from the likes of a proud wolf. Whilest the passion of rebellion hides in the darkness chewing the bloody carcass of said truth viciously drooling over its stolen victory as if a hyena.
im prolly wrong tho
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 19, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
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Oh no, he hasn't :)
OH NO HE HASN'T!!
Fixed it for ya ;)
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 19, 2016 - 08:25pm PT
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are you sure about that? He may be a robot! HEHE
it's just you use more comma,s than i do;)
BB
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 20, 2016 - 10:21pm PT
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What people seem to have a hard time grasping is that the Bible is filled with truth. If you don't understand that it's because you're blind to anything but a literal interpretation. Literal certainty is not wisdom. Paul Roehl
Paul, it sounds like you have read some Kurt Gödel*, not that I doubt your arriving at said
conclusions independently. ;-)
*specifically his Ontological Proof which logicians and mathematicians are still struggling to
disprove even by using supercomputers! I'm sure some of our resident StuporTopo logicians
can destroy it in a sentence or two.
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Norton
Social climber
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Dec 21, 2016 - 06:35am PT
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NEWS FLASH
The laws of physics, chemistry and biology have never, ever, ever been violated.
Jesus Christ, who very very arguably never existed in the mythical form as presented..
never performed even one "miracle, no miracle has ever occurred
no one's "real" blindness was instantly cured
and we humans no longer have to bury one of our live children upside down because the crops had a bad year and "god' is blood thirsty for sacrafice
look in the mirror for "stupid", BLUEBLOCR and leave me out of your start the personal insult world
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 21, 2016 - 07:45am PT
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syncorax [presenting Blake]: So if all do their duty, they need not fear harm.
We all need to figure out just what our jobs are and do them. As Nick Sabin says: “Just do your job.”
What’s Your Job? What’s your function? Why are you here?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 21, 2016 - 08:35am PT
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How you doing, Norton?
I've started to look to the possibilities that there might be some unseen silver linings to the Trump Administration. We can hope.
"Stay open. Who knows? Lightning make strike."
Hope you are well.
:)
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It's interesting to hear folks like Branson and Bill Gates spin Trump. Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5WJ11difCY
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Dec 21, 2016 - 09:08am PT
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"Yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant."
2 Samuel 23:5
This covenant is divine in its origin. "He hath made with me an everlasting covenant." Oh that great word He ! Stop, my soul. God, the everlasting Father, has positively made a covenant with thee; yes, that God who spake the world into existence by a word; he, stooping from his majesty, takes hold of thy hand and makes a covenant with thee. Is it not a deed, the stupendous condescension of which might ravish our hearts forever if we could really understand it? "HE hath made with me a covenant." A king has not made a covenant with me--that were somewhat; but the Prince of the kings of the earth, Shaddai, the Lord All-sufficient, the Jehovah of ages, the everlasting Elohim, "He hath made with me an everlasting covenant." But notice, it is particular in its application. "Yet hath he made with me an everlasting covenant." Here lies the sweetness of it to each believer. It is nought for me that he made peace for the world; I want to know whether he made peace for me! It is little that he hath made a covenant, I want to know whether he has made a covenant with me. Blessed is the assurance that he hath made a covenant with me! If God the Holy Ghost gives me assurance of this, then his salvation is mine, his heart is mine, he himself is mine--he is my God.
This covenant is everlasting in its duration. An everlasting covenant means a covenant which had no beginning, and which shall never, never end. How sweet amidst all the uncertainties of life, to know that "the foundation of the Lord standeth sure," and to have God's own promise, "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." Like dying David, I will sing of this, even though my house be not so with God as my heart desireth.
...Forget me knots, for God bound me with His love!
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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Dec 21, 2016 - 10:40am PT
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*specifically his Ontological Proof which logicians and mathematicians are still struggling to
disprove even by using supercomputers! I'm sure some of our resident StuporTopo logicians
can destroy it in a sentence or two.
Didn't Kant already refute the ontological argument? Or is Gödel's argument somehow different than the one put forth by Leibniz? And what do "supercomputers" have to do with it?
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Dec 21, 2016 - 10:48am PT
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Gobi,
I am trying to respect your right to believe what you believe, that it must comfort you, and I mean not to disparage you for it. But I believe in taking the 'heat,' so to speak, by taking full responsibility or blame for my part in whatever mistakes I have made in this life. I believe that I have this one life, a brain and a physical biology, that I have no soul, and there is no hereafter.
I believe there is no overseer, or god if you will, and only our consciousnesses, which for me is myself looking at the world, and at myself. A soul? I believe it is my brain acting as my conscience, which I choose to listen to (hopefully when it is overbearingly logical) or not listen to it (when it is overbearingly emotional).
I've read some of the scripture when you post it, but mostly not, I would rather hear your personal 'take' on this discussion rather than 'rote' quotes from the bible, which I read several times cover to cover along with the Encyclopedia Brittanica and the Webster's New World Dictionary by age 12. After which, due to my own life experiences, I rejected religion and the idea of 'God' outright. Please tell us more about your opinions.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 21, 2016 - 12:38pm PT
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What century is this?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSY0ym0b6DY
Last week, a girl aged 7 years old was detonated from distance into a Syrian police station in Damascus
MikeL and Paul, our resident postmodernists, who's to say one culture (morality or belief system, etc) is better than another... eh?
"What people seem to have a hard time grasping is that the Bible is filled with truth. If you don't understand that it's because you're blind to anything but a literal interpretation. Literal certainty is not wisdom." -Paul Roehl
Maybe direct your arguments to the fundamentalist literalists then?
"The fundamentalists you complain about are simply the opposite side of your own coin." -Paul Roehl
Uh-huh.
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It's a Global Jihad, Stupid
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raheel-raza/its-a-global-jihad-stupid_b_13772662.html?
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Dec 21, 2016 - 01:39pm PT
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Bushman, I'm sorry that Tobin left us so young and full of life but he was in God's hands, I'm sure he would talk with you on his take on the bible!
To see the way everything works together to make life possible and that we part and parcel of it all yet we are finite and life itself shows that it is infinite an attribute of God! Yet we all live our lives our own way but sustained by the whole again proof God is the God of all, it seems strange how we miss it!
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 21, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
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Bryan: And what do "supercomputers" have to do with it?
:-)
HFCS: It's a Global Jihad, Stupid
It’s so pleasant to talk with you.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Dec 21, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
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Kurt Gödel: his Ontological Proof which logicians and mathematicians are still struggling to disprove even by using supercomputers! I'm sure some of our resident StuporTopo logicians can destroy it in a sentence or two.
"Definition 1: x is God-like if and only if x has as essential properties those and only those properties which are positive
Definition 2: A is an essence of x if and only if for every property B, x has B necessarily if and only if A entails B
Definition 3: x necessarily exists if and only if every essence of x is necessarily exemplified
Axiom 1: If a property is positive, then its negation is not positive
Axiom 2: Any property entailed by—i.e., strictly implied by—a positive property is positive
Axiom 3: The property of being God-like is positive
Axiom 4: If a property is positive, then it is necessarily positive
Axiom 5: Necessary existence is positive
Axiom 6: For any property P, if P is positive, then being necessarily P is positive
Theorem 1: If a property is positive, then it is consistent, i.e., possibly exemplified
Corollary 1: The property of being God-like is consistent
Theorem 2: If something is God-like, then the property of being God-like is an essence of that thing
Theorem 3: Necessarily, the property of being God-like is exemplified"
"positive" is a little wishy-washy.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Dec 21, 2016 - 07:26pm PT
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Gobi,
I thank you for expressing you opinion. Tobin talked with me about his faith and his concern for my spiritual well being about a year before he died. We agreed to respectfully disagree on such things. I appreciated that he never pressed the matter further, and Tobin was only ever was respectful towards me in that way.
I don't know about anything beyond this life, and don't profess to, but the love we shared for each other as brothers and the way that he touched and honored the lives of others is what we have left of him in this life, beyond his legacy. You have helped to bring his memory alive for me again on this day by your comments and for that I am truly grateful.
-Tim
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Dec 21, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
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Bushman. Thanks Tim!
You and I share in a career of tree trimming! I liked it when Jesus said that the seed has to be in the right soil to grow, that God prunes us so we will be healthy, grow, and bear fruit! Also the branch has to abide in the vine or it becomes firewood! Yet a battered reed He will not break off!
-Matt
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