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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 25, 2011 - 11:02pm PT
Unlike you Don de dog...Arrfff..!
jstan

climber
Aug 25, 2011 - 11:38pm PT
More complete data.

Tomorrow I make a bet that Krugman is right. Unwinding it will be cheap. We have recession with low inflation for the next decade.

I was here in 1979 and if things were the same now as they were then, I think we would be headed for serious inflation. Seems debatable now.

Also betting on inflation, and higher taxes in future. Hope to have it covered both ways.

Higher taxes are for certain. Has nothing to do with ideology.

The 08 disaster will be with us for a long time.

Today looked at the equity to capital ratios for the Credit Union Insurance Fund. To reduce the risk of bankruptcy this ratio is supposed to be 7% or larger, and it is for credit unions serving "natural persons".

It is about 1% for credit unions serving corporations. They are holding many bad REITS taken in hopes of getting large profits.

That didn't work so the rest of us have to bail them out.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 26, 2011 - 01:47am PT
7 states evacuate or warn residents as hurricane nears
By David Zucchino | 9:45 p.m.
North Carolina is expected to take the brunt of the storm Saturday. But more than 50 million people are in the path of what "could be a 100-year event

ONCE AGAIN, Republicans are proven right, that government has no role in the lives of ordinary Americans. Cut, Cap, and Balance would effectively eliminate all emergency planning and protection services.

Maybe we could seek help from Libya.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2011 - 10:34am PT
Oh My!


Two years ago I said something!

Can you get any more childish?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Aug 26, 2011 - 10:57am PT
revised 2nd quarter gdp...1.0%; that's down from the original 1.3% and a steeper drop than expected


can you say, "double-dip recession", boys and girls?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Aug 26, 2011 - 11:03am PT
what liberalism hath wrought:

the mayor of london has declared, "Children will be barred from watching shooting events at the 2012 London Olympics."


what about truly violent sports like boxing, wrestling, fencing, judo, etc.?

and, since libs believe that competition is bad for self esteeeeeeeem, why not just ban the olympics and all sporting events?
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 26, 2011 - 11:07am PT
what liberalism hath wrought:

Stop it, bookworm, you're slaying me!!! Liberalism???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Boris Johnson Mayor of London
Role The Mayor's role as the executive of London's strategic authority is to promote economic development and wealth creation, social development, and improvement of the environment. The Mayor also has various other duties in relation to culture and tourism, including responsibility for Trafalgar Square and Parliament Square.
Salary £143,911
Elected Date 6 May 2008
Party Conservative Party

http://www.london.gov.uk/who-runs-london/mayor/boris-johnson

A GENUINE LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 26, 2011 - 11:20am PT
Natural disasters are easy to deal with, if you're a Repub

You just pretend it isn't happening, like they do everything else

Yosemite, when it comes to fires,

you're on your own......
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Aug 26, 2011 - 03:10pm PT
barry's job approval on the economy?

29%


i know what you're going to say, hedge so i want you to marvel at the awesome power of ONE cable news network watched by a few (according to you) morons, a bunch of people talking ceaselessly on AM RADIO to aforementioned morons, and a bunch of bloggers you claim nobody reads

vs.

multiple (msnbc, cnn, bbc, etc.) cable networks, ALL the network news stations, probably 90% of fm radio programming, ALL the major market newspapers, ALL the social/cultural/entertainment magazines and 90% of political and economic magazines, and the rest of the internet


conclusion: either your communicators SUCK or your ideas SUCK
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 26, 2011 - 04:59pm PT
Hey bookworm, why not post another source that you've never read to back that up!

The one common denominator all of you GOP lapdogs have is a total lack of facts. At least Kris and John are capable of independent thought. You and Donald and bluering (not sure about TGT) are completely clueless.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 26, 2011 - 05:07pm PT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 26, 2011 - 06:05pm PT
The memory wanes. This is an excellent reminder of the bargain that we reached in society, between the working class and the robber barons. They think we've forgotten, and they've gotten their tools like Donald and Fattrad to try to tear it all down, to create the surfdom again.


The real grand bargain, coming undone
By Alexander Keyssar,
Despite all the recent talk of “grand bargains,” little attention has been paid to the unraveling of a truly grand bargain that has been at the center of public policy in the United States for more than a century.

That bargain — which emerged in stages between the 1890s and 1930s — established an institutional framework to balance the needs of the American people with the vast inequalities of wealth and power wrought by the triumph of industrial capitalism. It originated in the widespread apprehension that the rapidly growing power of robber barons, national corporations and banks (like J.P. Morgan’s) was undermining fundamental American values and threatening democracy.

Such apprehensions were famously expressed in novelist Frank Norris’s characterization of the nation’s largest corporations — the railroads — as an “octopus” strangling farmers and small businesses. With a Christian rhetorical flourish, William Jennings Bryan denounced bankers’ insistence on a deflationary gold standard as an attempt to “crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.” A more programmatic, and radical, stance was taken by American Federation of Labor convention delegates who in 1894 advocated nationalizing all major industries and financial corporations. Hundreds of socialists were elected to office between 1880 and 1920.

Indeed, a century ago many, if not most, Americans were convinced that capitalism had to be replaced with some form of “cooperative commonwealth” — or that large corporate enterprises should be broken up or strictly regulated to ensure competition, limit the concentration of power and prevent private interests from overwhelming the public good. In the presidential election of 1912, 75 percent of the vote went to candidates who called themselves “progressive” or “socialist.”

Such views, of course, were vehemently, sometimes violently, opposed by more conservative political forces. But the political pressure from anti-capitalists, anti-monopolists, populists, progressives, working-class activists and socialists led, over time, to a truly grand bargain.

The terms were straightforward if not systematically articulated. Capitalism would endure, as would almost all large corporations. Huge railroads, banks and other enterprises — with a few exceptions — would cease to be threatened with nationalization or breakup. Moreover, the state would service and promote private business.

In exchange, the federal government adopted a series of far-reaching reforms to shield and empower citizens, safeguarding society’s democratic character. First came the regulation of business and banking to protect consumers, limit the power of individual corporations and prevent anti-competitive practices. The principle underlying measures such as the Sherman Antitrust Act (1890), the Pure Food and Drug Act (1906) and the Glass-Steagall Act (1933) — which insured bank deposits and separated investment from commercial banking — was that government was responsible for protecting society against the shortcomings of a market economy. The profit motive could not always be counted on to serve the public’s welfare.

The second prong of reform was guaranteeing workers’ right to form unions and engage in collective bargaining. The core premise of the 1914 Clayton Act and the National Labor Relations Act of 1935 — born of decades of experience — was that individual workers lacked the power to protect their interests when dealing with large employers. For the most poorly paid, the federal government mandated a minimum wage and maximum hours.

The third ingredient was social insurance. Unemployment insurance (1935), Social Security (1935), and, later, Medicaid and Medicare (1965) were grounded in the recognition that citizens could not always be self-sufficient and that it was the role of government to aid those unable to fend for themselves. The unemployment-insurance program left unrestrained employers’ ability to lay off workers but recognized that those who were jobless through no fault of their own (a common occurrence in a market economy) ought to receive public support.

These measures shaped the contours of U.S. political and economic life between 1940 and 2000: They amounted to a social contract that, however imperfect, preserved the dynamism of capitalism while guarding citizens against the power imbalances and uncertainties that a competitive economy produces. Yet that bargain — with its vision of balance between private interests and public welfare, workers and employers, the wealthy and the poor — has been under attack by conservatives for decades. And the attacks have been escalating.

The regulation of business is decried now, as it was in 1880, as unwarranted interference in the workings of the market: Regulatory laws (including antitrust laws) are weakly enforced or vitiated through administrative rule-making; regulatory agencies are starved through budget cuts; Glass-Steagall was repealed, with consequences that are all too well known; and the financial institutions that spawned today’s economic crisis — by acting in the reckless manner predicted by early-20th-century reformers — are fighting further regulation tooth and nail. Private-sector employers’ fierce attacks on unions since the 1970s contributed significantly to the sharp decline in the number of unionized workers, and many state governments are seeking to delegitimize and weaken public-sector unions. Meanwhile, the social safety net has frayed: Unemployment benefits are meager in many states and are not being extended to match the length of the downturn; Republicans are taking aim at Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and Obamacare. The real value of the minimum wage is lower than it was in the 1970s.

These changes have happened piecemeal. But viewed collectively, it’s difficult not to see a determined campaign to dismantle a broad societal bargain that served much of the nation well for decades. To a historian, the agenda of today’s conservatives looks like a bizarre effort to return to the Gilded Age, an era with little regulation of business, no social insurance and no legal protections for workers. This agenda, moreover, calls for the destruction or weakening of institutions without acknowledging (or perhaps understanding) why they came into being.

In a democracy, of course, the ultimate check on such campaigns is the electoral system. Titans of industry may wield far more power in the economic arena than average citizens, but if all votes count equally, the citizenry can protect its core interests — and policies — through the political arena. This makes all the more worrisome recent conservative efforts to alter electoral practices and institutions. Republicans across the nation have sponsored ID requirements for voting that are far more likely to disenfranchise legitimate (and relatively unprivileged) voters than they are to prevent fraud. Last year, the Supreme Court, reversing a century of precedent, ruled that corporate funds can be used in support of political campaigns. Some Tea Partyers even want to do away with the direct election of senators, adopted in 1913. These proposals, too, seem to have roots in the Gilded Age — a period when many of the nation’s more prosperous citizens publicly proclaimed their loss of faith in universal suffrage and democracy.

Alexander Keyssar is the Stirling professor of history and social policy at Harvard’s Kennedy School and the author of “The Right to Vote: the Contested History of Democracy in the United States.”


Can the right of women to vote be far behind? After all, we will not be able to celebrate the 100th anniversary of that great achievement unil 2020. Will the Republicans be celebrating?

In fact THIS YEAR is the 100th anniversary of women getting the vote in CALIFORNIA! CONGRATULATIONS!

http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201011020850/c
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2011 - 06:19pm PT
Sustained inflation usually requires a wage-price spiral. Otherwise you get pockets of price inflation in goods with non-elastic demand...think oil and food while other things (mid tier durable luxury goods...say Rolexes for example)see decreasing prices as disposable income after basic needs are met shrinks.

We certainly appear to be facing a Japanese style low to no growth muddle-through scenario. Labor doesn't have the power to induce the wage inflation part of the wage-price spiral. Even pockets of food inflation can be somewhat offset as people move to lower-input food sources (i.e. grains over grain-fed meat). The real problem we face is energy, specifically oil production, as an overhead constraint on worldwide growth.

Painful adjustments as far as the eye can see. It's the perfect storm of the boomer age wave and peak (or long term plateau) of oil.
Jorroh

climber
Aug 26, 2011 - 07:23pm PT
"the mayor of london has declared"

That would be the liberal mayor of London would it? I think you'll find he's a staunch Conservative, but then again, who cares about facts.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 26, 2011 - 07:26pm PT
Good posts, you guys.

Ken, part of the breakdown of the bargain, is that we got fat and lazy. We forgot what our forebears went through to create the great American middle class. A big part of the success of the longshoremen on the west coast is that they don't forget. They get Bloody Thursday as a holiday. They teach the new guys what went down and what will happen if they ever forget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_West_Coast_waterfront_strike
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 26, 2011 - 10:12pm PT
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 26, 2011 - 10:13pm PT
Right you are, TGT. You'd think the Republicans want the economy to flounder.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Aug 26, 2011 - 10:27pm PT
Hey, Donald Thompson: glad to see see you're generous enough to rip pages out of your bizarre colouring book to share with us. Actually, I kind of like seeing your posts, since it helps to confirm in my mind that the only two words that you seem to comprehend are "cut" and "paste". I truly value your contributions to this forum, since I'm still laughing my guts out over your response to "Mighty Hiker" - I believe the point that he was making is that "unemployement" is actually spelled "unemployment". At least on this planet, Donald. Keep up your inspiring work.

Now, Bookworm - when are you going to apologize for that mind-boggling lie you told us about everyone in the U.S. having a house, car, job, and steak on the table? Where I come from, real men have the balls to admit that they were guilty but, perhaps you have been too busy composing new whoppers or daydreaming about a future Fascist paradise where, as you also have suggested, you can merely murder anyone who doesn't accept your twisted values. Your mind-set transcends any debate about economics.

Hi Rokjox: thanks for your comment - ridicule has its place when dealing with Fascists, but Bookworm and those of his ilk are as serious as herpes. As you are no doubt aware, these parasites were well-enough organized to steal the presidency from Gore and begin an orgy of handouts to their corporate buddies while shredding the U.S. Constitution in their spare time Expect nothing better from them in the future. They are not nice people, so beware.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 27, 2011 - 02:03am PT
JACKSONVILLE BEACH, Fla. – Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann said Friday she wouldn't rule out changes to the federal minimum wage as a way to lower the cost of doing business and lure corporations back to the United States.


As the Republicans work to create the sharecroppers and slaves......
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 27, 2011 - 05:03pm PT
According to Bachmann , government workers , teachers , and now the minimum wage earners of America have become targets for the republican party as the source of what ails America's economy....If we get rid of these people there will not be any poverty and the rich will prosper...good idea Michelle..!
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