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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 14, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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I had to meet my son over at a recently completed home for a warranty issue otherwise I would have already answered you stupid blondes. First off your examples are complete b.s. When was the sea level graph produced Mono? You know IPCC wasn't even in existence for the first decade of satellite observation, it's easy to do a matching graph when the trend is established. The sea levels have been rising since the end of the ice age 13,000 + years ago, albeit since the end of the Holocene Optimum in fits and starts as the globe alternately warms and cools under natural influence.I note the current rate of increase, excluding 2010 and 2011 when the Evisat satellite actually recorded slight declines, is 2.9 mm per year (approx. 1.14 inches per decade or 11.4 inches per century) . How can that be accurately measured on a year by year basis if the satellites measurement has a margin of error of 3-4 mm? It seems to me that this can only catch decadal trends and might well miss a decrease until a few years after the fact.Now for you Wilbeer- where the hell are you getting your info brother? In North America the hottest year ever was 1934 and 2012 was only the tenth hottest and this only counts the modern instrument era, it was undoubtedly far warmer during periods of the Holocene when we lacked measuring instrumentation. Now Ed, there isn't a 2.5 meter thick region of pure CO2 at one atmosphere and 20c anywhere in the atmosphere, now is there? And as our atomic bomb tests have shown, and later confirmed by other studies, the life span of FF CO2 in the atmosphere is less than 10 years-not the hundreds as portrayed by the crackpots.
Mutt, I had no idea you were such a beauty queen!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 14, 2013 - 07:44am PT
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Chef ,there you are going backwards again.
All right ,hows about ever recorded, by humans with thermometers.
But that data must be flawed also.
You know for a guy who seems proud of his service to this country,it blows my mind how you are so quick to discredit its agencies and its DATA.
And Rick,provide a real link,otherwise its opinionhttp://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/ncdc-announces-warmest-year-record-contiguous-us
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2013 - 08:39am PT
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Posted from an iPhone. (Gasp!)
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2013 - 11:32am PT
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Chief Moobs isn't just a mental midget, he's also an actual midget.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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Have a minute to get back to this now...
As an active employee and funded researcher in the field of Climate Science for NASA and the NOAA, Spencer IS NOT a acceptable scientist.
The Chief, you are a fool. He is not an active employee. Boink, you loose. You have proven yourself unworthy of understanding even the most basic of facts--as in the word "former."
Time for you to realize you can't put 2+2 together. So pack up and go to bed, time for the adults to talk.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 14, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
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I see you guys have a real fear induced hatred of CO2 science and other blogs. Well so be it, perhaps a steady diet of it is in order for you. Ok Ed, are their studies out their by your guys showing that the carbon 14 produced by the atmospheric bomb tests of the 50's to 70's are still in the atmosphere in sufficient quantities to indicate a lifespan of hundreds of years?
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V12/N31/EDIT.php
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 14, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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Dr F -- "It's OK, because after that, God will just power our cars and run our factories on Love"
He already has and does eternally from the beginning of the entire cosmic material creation.
Not even a leaf can move without him moving first.
You're a terrible stupid scientist ......
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 14, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
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yes Fort I realize that, i'm not beholden to your rules nor conform to your approved terminology. CO2 is cycled out of the atmosphere by the biota, ocean uptake, and chemical weathering much faster than the hundreds of years the IPCC claims in parts of it's documents.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 14, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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I'm so glad you guys found each other....you are obviously very happy together.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 14, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
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Great Ron- maybe you converted it into one of the new improved double life span models.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 14, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
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Here is another wonderful resource everyone should appreciate. It is an interactive global map identifying areas of the entire globe that reconstructed climatic studies have been performed that confirm that the MWP and LIA were pronounced and global in extent. Simply click on the various locations and the peer reviewed study, or link to it, appears. So simple even a physicist could do it.
http://pages.science-skeptical.de/MWP/MedievalWarmPeriod1024x768.html
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
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There will be SUPER FIRES~~~ Hardly comparable to fires BEFORE the industrial revolution...
Ron, that reminds me, you never answered my question about the Rim Fire.
How big do you think it would be if we used pre-industrial techniques to fight it? Think it would classify as one of your "super fires?"
Waiting for an answer....
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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Here is another wonderful resource everyone should appreciate. ...
Rick, on one hand you say the scientists know nothing. On the other, you implore us to look at what a select group of scientists have put together.
So, do you believe the scientists, or don't you?
If you do, then how about this fact: 95% of the world's climate scientists are in agreement about AWG.
The other 5%? We've determined that most are on the budget of those who own coal mines.
Keep denying, there's plenty of sand to go around.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
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The Siege of 87, CALs greatest fire event used all the modern bells and whistles.
Odd, I didn't realize they had DC-10s equiped to drop tons of fire retardant on the hot spots back then.
Care to restate that Ron?
PS. 1987 isn't what I'd call per-inststrial. What are you trying to say Ron?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 14, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
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Bruce to tell you the truth, I find atheists to be shallow, scared, hateful little people. Though I have no religious inclinations myself, I prefer to hire, climb, and otherwise interact with those that identify themselves as religious, or at least deferential to a higher and unknown power than the false religion of CAGW and other over hyped sciences designed for the purpose of social engineering. I have no problem, nor should any independent thinking person, with the good scientific works of the people you mention. Their science is separate, and is independent, of their modest religious beliefs.
You speak heresy K-man. Try to remember your blogger/social scientist in chief Mr. Cook et al has officially identified 97.1% of 64 scientists, out of 12,000, as the consensus ratio. Well anyway, 64 minus the five I posted as objecting to be falsely classified.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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You measly human White Coats just haven't a clue.... not one.
Sorry The Chief, but this sounds like another of your "arrogant ego trip soap boxes."
Isn't it past your bed time?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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There will be SUPER FIRES~~~ Hardly comparable to fires BEFORE the industrial revolution...
Then ...
They had C-130s, DC 4s, BPYs, Mitchell b-24s, Cessna Agwagons, and many many more aircraft.. But then,, i was there. If you think the dc10 has revolutionized fire, you need to think again.
Ron, you were arguing that the fires before the industrial age were the biggest on record. My point was that we've figured out ways to fight fires that contains them quicker, meaning that the fires, because of our techniques, won't be as big.
With this, I asked how big you think the Rim Fire would have been without modern fire-fighting techniques.
Focus boy, focus.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
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The jackwagon politickshuns will yammer about GW concerning these fires ...
No Ron, it's not the jackwagon politicshuns who yammer about AWG. It's the climate scientists who are voicing grave concerns.
Focus boy, focus.
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