The Flames.

We tithe in bone and blood and loss
your comfort and security is some thing that I hope others still eschew for the wonderfully rewarding on many levels gaining the skills through climbing.
Adventure is a scarce and valuable.

What do you want to do then ban everybody else from trade routes have "trade routs" have limits of number of climber spots ?
These things exist. What was it that the guides make the trade routs

If this bump does not elicit response from others much more knowedgable Than I, of whom Clint is one of the top .... So you've certainly well informed so far.
, there are multiple other threads here on Supertop.
Especially important to our shared history is a certain high regard that we hold each other in .
The Dartmouth Mountaineer's as well as Harvad and others were also very meticulous (mostly) there may be sources here for that as well.

A good bet is the posters who have a serious studious, approach such a seen in Clint's
Response.
O I get dry . But in the cost of drawing out some (not) 'marginally' well informed witnesses to the dramatic changes in all things that have occurred visa vie your topic - environmental, technological, economic, changes that went hand and glove with the shifts in population/residency locations after World War II,

As I was saying you wil need to have a less dry but still direct approach, start by looking around to get a feel for the snarky snark that is the said top of the page then never go there agian.
Take a look at the profile posts ( mine are embarks sing as this mostly )
You can by finding the scholars avoid the thick sauce that does hold good information
But is almost impossible to wade through with out a hand book of who's who .
Clint is an amazing opportunity do not miss it un- like any!

Historical important Backpacks, while heavy in one style is also a key thread "Marlow"if I recall is it author,
Use you consummate skills

2 days ago
So many great responses!

Colonel Mustard wrote:
There's only one rule I see: Climb something else if you can't handle being around other people or see some big SNAFU in the works. Most areas I go to have those extremely popular routes surrounded by climbs that are just about as good but for some reason (runouts, difficulty, etc.) that shuts down the less experienced they don't get climbed as much. 25 years of climbing should lend you the experience to do those more adventurous routes and avoid the clusters. Really, running up some other party's ass puts you in the dick position and you take every disadvantage on yourself by choosing to get on the route despite a pileup. Workarounds include early/late season ascents. Waking up early. Climbing in the midweek. Doing those routes later in the day after the conga has ascended. Going to areas with a big hike in and commitment. Scoping out for those other routes that are likely just about as good just not starred up like a barista with a hefty tattoo budget. Who wants to be sitting at the base of a climb or stuck at some hanging belay when you could just open your mind up a bit and adjust your plans? edit: I get it though, maybe throwing out some ideas that foster a little conscientiousness isn't a bad idea. And I understand you are an accomplished climber whose job puts him in the thick of it, so you have no choice. We can't expect everybody to adhere to our ideas of good behavior, unfortunately. Also, what I said about running up the a*# makes you a dick was really funny in a hurr hurr sort of way. You're welcome ;).




Em Cos wrote:
You've got some self-contradictory advice here.

Not just some;
.

Try This;
Do not join the 'conga line'. ( someone put up that picture of the 'Cables route' on Half dome)
If you want to be alone on a climb, find that place where you will be alone
Stop repeating climbs. Open more. Good new climbs.

The idea that you will curtail our freedom.
I add my voice to the chorus.

I get that this is in response to the accumulation of frustration.seeing the lowest common denominator on those routes for exactly that reason.mlimited safe climbers moving at their own pace. Making good safe choices for themselves, in your way .


Ive got to say that From Dana B, who first said " 25 years? so you are fairly new at this"
that is a mild and fully appropriate response to this No0B.
and :
John Strand, !; ". . . . . . I say Piss on your rules!"
Wow, I like to see that!


Mike, to have those two, Lifers, respond to you in Kind !

you have lit a fuse, made of. . . what's it called?
A magnesium based fuse used in underwater demolition?


your Kidding About this Right, you actually admit to having been the pro-generator, of this problem.

Stop climbing for pay,
Stop 'Guiding' Classics,
buy your own crag,
con some other No0Bs into believing you are the end all and be all....
man ? Really? Started taking people climbing right away - Insta-guide,- just like the people you're frustrated by, soon it will be the same folks you're introducing's ,turn . . . .

The donkeys and their carts were a great tourist attraction in the early 1900s, however back then photos were black and white, and white donkeys hardly registered on the photo, so someone with a pale skinned donkey didn't have the same amount of business as someone with a darker donkey. One photographer came up with the idea to paint his donkey with black stripes, and it was such a hit that everyone started imitating him.