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WBraun
climber
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Oct 14, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
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Of course in this age of "instant gratification" people have lost the realization of completeness.
There's so much stuff out there and a lot of it is just plain sloppy.
We all recognize it and have become desensitized to it and find it "normal" now.
Like Licky said; "It's not a novel"
It's his personal work.
So if one has one has no patience (another losing quality in this day and age), then you're not fit.
Then your only quality is to bitch ....
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2010 - 12:30am PT
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Once again WB I owe you my humble bow. Very well put
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JakeW
Big Wall climber
CA
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Oct 16, 2010 - 12:55pm PT
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Found some parts up there, below the lake, while on a backcountry patrol this summer: "actuator - oil shutter", and some other chunks of metal. The stuff's still strewn all over, apparently.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
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Hey Rok...those posts are still there, I just checked.
JakeW...the paint job for the plane was red, white, and blue. A majority of the paint was white. The inside of the parts were painted a flat, olive drab color. Two years ago I was sent photos of a large section of the plane that is tangled up by a small tree and overgrowth. I could identify the plane by the stripes as well as the part number printed on the olive drab side.
The guy that sent me the photos also sent me one of him standing in the lake holding some of the debris that is still in the lake.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2010 - 01:15am PT
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When the plane landed in Baja for its second load, the chief mechanic said to the pilot, "you have an oil leak on the left engine. The pilot said, "Yeah, I know...I'll have it fixed after this run".
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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"Yeah, I know...I'll have it fixed after this run".
HaHaHa. True words those. The radial that doesn't have an oil leak likely
doesn't have any oil in it.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2010 - 01:26am PT
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When the plane was pulled from the lake, one of the things found inside was the replacement oil line still in its wooden crate
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dinerogrande
Social climber
Mexico
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Nov 10, 2010 - 10:25pm PT
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This is starting to remind me of the old medieval story about nail soup. You know, where the charlatan fires up a boiling pot of water in the square, with just a nail in it... He keeps tasting it... mmmm... if I only had a carrot or two.. then a potato... etc. etc. Until VaVoom!
All of those around him have given him the ingredients to complete his hearty stew. I gotta hand it to ya Lick-Meister... You know how to boil a real good nail.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2010 - 03:22am PT
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Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2010 - 02:25am PT
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For those that think I ought to be speeding up my research and publishing of the book I have this for you. I just recieved a copy of a book titled "It Hapened In Yosemite National Park" writtened by Ray Jones and Joe Lubow, published by Globe Pequot Press, copyright 2010.
In this supposed historical book of events that occured in Yosemite, they speak of the 1976 plane crash at Lower Merced Pass Lake. I hope you are all sitting down for this.
The plane was a modified PV-1 Ventura outfitted with jet engines.
The bales were 140 pounds each.
Those that were up at the lake were surprised by the six US Customs agents that were parachuted into the area that eventually ran off those that were stealing the cargo.
The legal owner was presented with a $20,000 bill for salvage costs, it was never paid.
So for those that were there and involved, you know how much of this is pure bunk. If I were to include this junk in my book many of you that were there at the time would tear me appart. This is why the book is taking so long. I am not writing about rumors, only about facts.
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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Nov 25, 2010 - 09:18pm PT
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i love the analogy of nail soup - although i suppose the same story varaint that describes a "stone" soup might be more appropriate for these stonemasters, both climbers and loadies
but Licky says it best: "I am not writing about rumors, only about facts."
well content description notwithstanding, it seems that the lickster should have stopped his statement at "I am not writing . . . "
research is all that seems to be forthcoming - if licky really had anything done he'd have posted an excerpt, like real writers do to promote interest in their projects, a sneak preview if you will - he's so confrontational when the person he's confronting could be so easily ignored that it seems as if he might have something to hide - real involvement in the incident perhaps, ulterior motives perhaps, a generalized inability to string words together perhaps - something doesn't add up, that's for sure - he'll likely blast me again for my chronic cynicism and insessant meddling, and to what end? the satisfaction one gets from telling another person off? it will be a Pyrrhic victory at best if he ever publishes, because of the collateral damage to his reputation as a journalist - he's discounted relevant data, trumpeted irrelavant details, and alienated sources - good job, rookie - come to the big leagues with your nose so elevated skyward that it gets bent out of joint by anonomus posters to a silly thread - but I forgot, he admonished me with a suggestion that I play in another sandbox, paint my lawn green and track prices of fingernail clippings on Ebay - based on those decidedly unfunny barbs one can only hope he won't try writing humor, but if he did I suppose he could pen his name Snark Twain
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 25, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
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LOL!!
Just wanted to get the 900th post...
Way back when this thread started, I think the longest thread at the time was perhaps 300 posts. This thread has the distinction of taking the longest time to get to 900 posts...
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Nov 25, 2010 - 11:58pm PT
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Who here remembers that guy from back then we called "Clomms?" He never made it to the lake, but he sure helped spread the word. Then, there was Darrel; he had the misfortune of having his stash of airplane cash made into a squirrel’s nest (mulched) under that big boulder behind the Terrace where somebody hauled one of those green benches. A park bum hideout, of sorts.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Nov 26, 2010 - 12:40am PT
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Redondo Beach Boys. It would be a good thread on it's own.
Ken
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2010 - 04:53am PT
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I'm beginning to think that our friend Sidmo is among those that claim to be involved like the chicken is involved in breakfast versus the pig. I don't think Sidmo was even in the Valley when the plane went down. I think Sidmo was one of those that I have interviewed that were on the fringes. They never made it up to the lake, never packed down the cargo, but for the past plus thirty years have been telling friends and family that he was in the thick of things. Like I've said before Sidmo..you've never offered up a single story that is different that those told by those who were there. Still waiting, but I doubt if it will happen.
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timdude2000
Sport climber
Las Vegas, NV
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Nov 28, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
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New to forum, but this thread is what has attracted me. I am an attorney living in Las Vegas, interested in finding out as much information about this event as possible. Perhaps I would like to put all of the information together to try and tell a coherent focused story. Mr. Rick Schloss, I am convinced is by far the most knowledgable person about the facts of this incident. He seems to be a class act, interested not in making money off of this matter, rather interested in getting to the bottom of the facts. He is well on his way, if not heading down the closing stretch now. It takes the mind of a serious investigator to sift through all the fact from BS, and Mr. Schloss has done that job. Problem is he has had to listen to a lot of BS along the way.
I appreciate the telephone conversation, and look forward to you getting to the bottom of what really happened. Also, Mr. Schloss should be comended for his thoroughness. The investigation in this case, has snowballed, and requires painstaking thoroughness.
Keep up the great work.
One hypothesis: Three people initially took the first non fed haul from the lake. True or not?
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Nov 28, 2010 - 06:36pm PT
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"I climbed a lot back then, but rarely with the Camp 4 crowd. Due to the two-week limit on residency in the park to unemployed visitors I generally kept away from the segment of our community which was under the most scrutiny."
There was no two week limit back then Sidmo. . .Get your lies straight. . .
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timdude2000
Sport climber
Las Vegas, NV
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Nov 30, 2010 - 02:25am PT
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I have a couple of hypotheses to try to test if this subject is not dead. Forgive me for repeating something that has already been discussed.
1. The plance crashed on December 9, 1976.
2. The Pilots are identifiable, and were 31 and 29 at the time of the crash. From Seattle
3. The plane was a Howard 500 which can be easily mistaken for a Lodestar, but this plane had a range of 2200-2600 miles.
4. From what I have read or seen, there does not appear to be a great deal of fire damage, this could be because, well it crashed into a lake of water. But was there an explosion?
5. It was packed with MJ. People who transport MJ are not in the habbit of hauling half loads.
6. Somebody found the wing in January 77, but not the rest of the fuselage
7. The feds came in in February or March and did a minor recovery. Decided to come back when the weather was more acceptable, late spring.
8 Word leaked, I believe because Yosemite, althogh social dichotomies existed, amongst staff, campers and even among those in Camp 4, they shared the Yosemite Experience above and beyond all.
9. A Ranger, Employee of the Hotel where the feds had to have stayed, a part time ranger, a camp 4 tennant with good eyes and a good pair of binoculars, whatever, three people came up with or were given the idea to go check the lake. Maybe the feds didn't get everything the first time.
10. 3 or 4 people went in and scored.
11. Many more "got theirs", Pictures exist, funny, dudes drenched in underwear holding bales.
12. The feds came in got the wreckage and the bodies of the pilots
I have several more hypotheses, and much more analysis. The problem that I see with this project is that it is impossible not to put a modern spin on what happened over 30 years ago. This provides great hindsight, but also makes facts fuzzier especially from eyewitnesses who are all believable if they saw what they say, but the problem is that they focus on details that are different from person to person. It is a tradeoff to say the least.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2010 - 03:19am PT
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Yep Tim...you got the problem right. Keep digging. Just be careful of the "spin". It tends to make a novel out of a historical event.
Ya'll have to admit, the plot thickens. I'm now enjoying this as much as Sidmo is
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Nov 30, 2010 - 03:21pm PT
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Still loose ends that still need to be addressed. If and I say “If” everyone is or has been on this site and has been involved in some way; has or would have had knowledge of this place, the timing, who/whom and for what reason. The painting of this building is of course been upgraded few years back.
Any Takers?
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