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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 21, 2016 - 10:49am PT
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. Why is nobody in the media or on the RNC attacking trump for his filthy attacks on Cruz's family?
They did make note of the truth involved. If you think it is still relevant, that news cycle has long ago passed.
It seems that no one recognizes why Cruz is being so vilified: He undoubtedly was given this very prominent place in the program for a very specific reason: to help unify the party by endorsing Trump. He undoubtedly pledged his solemn word upon God that he would do so.
Then he didn't do so. So once again, he has turned against his party, sabotaging all of them, yet again.
No doubt he performed this duplicity on the basis of his "getting even", but that doesn't change the ethics of what his word is worth. Again.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 10:52am PT
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Norton posted because he is under the assumption that Ted Cruz is not a liar
and I don't know Jody, never met him
and so I assume he would want to know when he is wrong about something
so that he can change his mind himself and also not repeat what he is wrong about to other people
Jody is the kind of guy who decides on something and sticks with it. His belief in that thing is unwavering, unyielding and impervious to revision.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 10:58am PT
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well then it seems I have wasted my time with Jody
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 11:11am PT
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Another Woman - Trump Sexual Assaults
Just a day after Donald Trump officially became the Republican presidential nominee, a woman broke her silence on allegations that he sexually assaulted her. In an interview with the Guardian published today,
Jill Harth detailed how Trump made numerous sexual advances toward her in 1993, culminating when she says he cornered and groped her in a bedroom. Harth attempted to press charges in 1997 but withdrew her lawsuit and has since remained quiet about the case. She says that since her allegations resurfaced in a May New York Times article about Trump's treatment of women, the Trump campaign has continuously pressured her to recant her account.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-breaks-silence
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c wilmot
climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 11:16am PT
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Not sure Clinton supporters should go with sexual assault allegations
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c wilmot
climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 11:26am PT
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We have Clinton riding the "Lolita express" and paying his victim to avoid trial vs unsubstantiated allegations of dubious political nature. There is nothing to conflate
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 11:35am PT
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Not sure Clinton supporters should go with sexual assault allegations
no problem
only one of the Presidential nominees is being accused, by multiple women, sexual assault
but doesn't matter, as Donald himself said, "I could shoot someone on the street and not lose any support"
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Jul 21, 2016 - 12:03pm PT
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Ted Cruz showed that he is a man of principle. He knew how risky it was going to be to not endorse Trump. Even if he did sign a pledge to support the nominee, when Trump ran a dirty, unethical, and personal campaign, all bets are off. Why is nobody in the media or on the RNC attacking trump for his filthy attacks on Cruz's family? The only thing he ever had on Cruz was to call him "Lyin' Ted", with absolutely no facts to back up the charge! Whether you think Cruz did what he did last night to further his chances in 2020 when Trump loses or not, it took gonads and FINALLY, we have a principled politician. Cruz became a conservative icon last night.
I think Cruz got played and played well by Trump.
Everyone knows most republican party regulars can't stand Cruz. Lindsey Graham said if someone shot and killed Cruz in front of the Senate, no one would stand up to convict the murderer and Boehner thought Cruz was the worst public official he had ever worked with, referring to him as Lucifer (or something close to that). Trump knew that if Cruz went rogue and didn't help bring the party together, the party wouldn't see it as Cruz taking a principled stand, but just more of is inability to be a team member.
Pundits were talking about Reagan's 1976 address after the bitter convention fight with Ford and how it set Reagan up for 1980. There was an expectation that Cruz would do something similar--give a good speech, be magnanimous, help bring the party together, and set himself up for 2020.
But Trump knew Cruz would't be magnanimous. Trump said he had the text of the speech in advance and one news outlet reported that Cruz told Trump he wouldn't support him two days earlier. Trump let him talk and then purposely arrived at the end of Cruz's speech and stole the show. I also doubt it was serendipity that the New York delegation was parked right in front of Cruz as he spoke (remember Cruz comments about New Yorkers in the debates?). Pretty savvy on Trump's part. Knowing Cruz wouldn't endorse him, Trump once again got great press about a potentially embarrassing issue and made Cruz look like a petty, cheap fool in the process. This was a much smarter play than locking Cruz out of the convention and having him carp from the sidelines. Pretty artful.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
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Sexual Piccadillos?
Democrats are the party of Kennedy, Dodd and Bubba...sleazy gropers all.
Republicans are the party of anonymous gay encounters in public restrooms (NTTAWWT).
In light of the latest sexual allegations I would ask:
Is Trump a closet Democrat?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jul 21, 2016 - 12:21pm PT
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I think Cruz got played and played well by Trump.
Everyone knows most republican party regulars can't stand Cruz. Lindsey Graham said if someone shot and killed Cruz in front of the Senate, no one would stand up to convict the murderer and Boehner thought Cruz was the worst public official he had ever worked with, referring to him as Lucifer (or something close to that). Trump knew that if Cruz went rogue and didn't help bring the party together, the party wouldn't see it as Cruz taking a principled stand, but just more of is inability to be a team member.
Pundits were talking about Reagan's 1976 address after the bitter convention fight with Ford and how it set Reagan up for 1980. There was an expectation that Cruz would do something similar--give a good speech, be magnanimous, help bring the party together, and set himself up for 2020.
You contradicted yourself. You admit that cruz is disliked by the party, and then you state that cruz will bring the party together. Cruz's political career is done.
But Trump knew Cruz would't be magnanimous. Trump said he had the text of the speech in advance and one news outlet reported that Cruz told Trump he wouldn't support him two days earlier. Trump let him talk and then purposely arrived at the end of Cruz's speech and stole the show. I also doubt it was serendipity that the New York delegation was parked right in front of Cruz as he spoke (remember Cruz comments about New Yorkers in the debates?). Pretty savvy on Trump's part. Knowing Cruz wouldn't endorse him, Trump once again got great press about a potentially embarrassing issue and made Cruz look like a petty, cheap fool in the process. This was a much smarter play than locking Cruz out of the convention and having him carp from the sidelines. Pretty artful.
Not so sure. rumor has it that if trump were to be elected, he would nominate cruz to the SC. Why would trump nominate a "petty, cheap fool"? Of course that would fit trump's MO of lying.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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What I find suspect is that anyone would feel ANY person should take the abuse DT passed around(about Cruz, repeatedly referring to him as "Lyin' Ted" and the extremely distasteful attack on his wife /comparing her to his current wife) and then endorse him.
It would have been better, more honorable, I think, if Cruz would have simply declined the invitation to speak, but he is a politician, and needs to get his face time in where he can. I don't know that he did much damage to himself or to Trump with his point of voting conscience though. It's quite clear that conscience goes out the window for many people, when it comes to politics.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 21, 2016 - 01:03pm PT
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Cruz's speech would have been well received if he just added "I need a bogle for the glotch."
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 21, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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To be clear, Pence's record is pretty scary, but his performance in speaking last night was impressive.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jul 21, 2016 - 01:26pm PT
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Correct me please if I am wrong, but didn't Cruz have his own delegates at the convention? I mean, he wasn't a guest speaker and it wasn't for Trump to extend an invitation to speak.
Cruz earned his right to speak at the convention, Trump be damned.
Right?
Correct, but it wasn't like he was stumping for votes. the nominee had been decided, but I agree, any candidate should have the right to speak at their party's convention.
Trump be damned, for sure.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 21, 2016 - 01:31pm PT
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I don't know if Cruz had a "right" to speak, but Trump at least decided when. Trump saw and signed off on his speech before giving him a prime time spot.
Trump basically played Cruz for a fool. People are saying the boos were initiated by Trump campaign plants. Let Cruz go out there and make a fool of himself. As soon as Cruz finished his prepared remarks and was about to start ad libbing Trump walked in, stole the spolight and Cruz scampered off with his tail between his legs.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
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Tom Perez...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Perez
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I'm leaning with Michael Moore...
I'm afraid Trump's going to be our next President.
Charisma counts. Perception counts. Ignorance counts.
And they're too often ignored by the reasonable and cerebral.
But I hope Norton and Crankster and others are right and HRC wins in a landslide. I'm just not confident. Not at all.
Despite the numbers at five thirty eight.
No matter, I think we are all getting a glimpse into important
moments of our history. (Incl 1930s Germany and Europe.)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 01:48pm PT
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I wish it weren't so true, maybe in another universe, but...
Charisma counts.
In this case it's ignored at Clinton's peril.
Recall Perot's choice: Stockdale.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 01:52pm PT
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I'm leaning with Michael Moore...
I'm afraid Trump's going to be our next President.
I am afraid too, we should all be
but Michael Moore said "Trump is going to win" on Bill Maher's show
my guess is he said it to shock the audience into not being complacent, to not believe in the current polls showing Hillary with a small but solid lead, to get off their asses and vote for her in November
if he said it because he really believes Trump is going to win then he is showing unusual factual ignorance and denial
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 02:00pm PT
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There's another alternative, Norton.
His words last night might have reflected his gut or gut intuition. Which is often employed (listened to) when the incoming (sense data) is too complex to compute straight out.
As I'm sure you know, the facts on the ground today do NOT necessarily reflect the facts on the ground tomorrow.
So the "worry" or "fear" on M Moore's part might just reflect something more than just a statement to get Dems off their complacent butts.
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I really hope HRC has something of an ace up her sleeve - with some motivating and kick-ass, shock and surprise value -
regarding her VP selection.
In this crazy cycle, the Dem side simply cannot afford to lose the charm and charisma component.
Just imagine how much different America could be.
Whether it's two years hence or 12.
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