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WBraun
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Jan 10, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
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And all you hypocrites cry like little girls here on internet forums masquerading as tough guys ....
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 10, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
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Boxers, M,L & XL...you can't make this sh*t up...I would have thought "whitey tightys" for sure.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 10, 2016 - 09:40pm PT
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I think this particular horse died about a week ago.....
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Jan 10, 2016 - 09:46pm PT
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Dammit! Forgot the Miracle Whip for my baloney sandwiches - good thing we brought lots of WHITE BREAD.
That gives me some good wife complaints for my time with the boys, anyhoo...
Oh, and could y'all come through for me with a jar or two...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jan 11, 2016 - 05:11am PT
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Hope they aren't missing out on the football playoffs..
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 11, 2016 - 05:12am PT
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fear posted I think this particular horse died about a week ago.....
For so long as brave, armed white men are willing to stand up against a straw man of tyranny we shall vigilantly bear witness.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 11, 2016 - 06:28am PT
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Wow!- that wish list...
Brave patriots, please use the chisel point markers you've requested, sign this document that exhibits your great sacrifice and know that, in the pantheon of rebellion, this document will stand with the Magna Carta and The Declaration of Independence.
Actually- other than the cigs and chew, I think this list was poached from a girls, college cheer team.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 11, 2016 - 06:52am PT
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Ok, other than the cigs and chew, it's pretty close, although the girls come off a little less demanding and a bit tougher.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jan 11, 2016 - 06:59am PT
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And all you hypocrites cry like little girls here on internet forums masquerading as tough guys ....
Unlike the revolutionaries that are in dire need of throw rugs.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Jan 11, 2016 - 07:01am PT
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Nancy Boi Rebellion.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jan 11, 2016 - 09:16am PT
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lets starve them and hope for Donner party type situation.
a few of those fat fvcks look like good eats.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jan 11, 2016 - 09:20am PT
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now wait a minute, sliced cheese?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 11, 2016 - 09:20am PT
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So maybe the revolution will be televised? This affair was.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 11, 2016 - 09:31am PT
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Okay - I'm in.
These men are NOT womanly men, you men who are suggesting that much. How do I know? They spelled "Aprons" incorrectly on the wish list.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 11, 2016 - 09:40am PT
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To be fair, they listed shaving creme and ice scrappers.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 11, 2016 - 09:56am PT
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^^^ for shaving their legs, no doubt.
Somehow, I don't get the impression they're really prepared to stay long-term. Guess they failed to watch "Preppers" before the big operation. Probably because those kind of people are a bit too extreme.
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John M
climber
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Jan 11, 2016 - 10:11am PT
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This is I feel another very well written article.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/11/3737719/rancher-history-oregon/
before you jump to conclusions, you should read it. In one part one of the main ranchers in the area says how he believes the Hammonds were railroaded. It made me think because he sounds like a well reasoned person.
We need to rethink mandatory sentences and have some oversight. We can't go back to the good ol boys days when the wealthy bought judges and got off of everything. But we also shouldn't be having these forced sentences. Somehow reasonable people need to come to the forefront.
This area actually worked out a compromise solution. It likely was a very contentious and difficult process, but they succeeded. I know a little of what that is like because I lived 25 years in Yosemite and have had to deal with the park service, while not being part of the park service. Sometime they were very heavy handed and showed no concern for the little guy.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Jan 11, 2016 - 10:27am PT
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Werner, are you irritated because you are trying to quit smoking?
Try those E cigarretes. It takes about a week to get used to them, but after that you will never go back to tobacco. It is super cheap, too.
Dave was posting a lot of environmental crap a few pages back. I know a fair amount about that, because my wife is a big cheese in the state DEQ. I've heard all kinds of crazy maneuvering to avoid paying for cleanups. When nobody can be found, Superfund often kicks in. It was created to clean up really bad old polluted areas where the original owner can't be found. They do a lot of good, but some areas are nigh impossible to clean up.
The spill into the Animas River was caused by a backhoe accidentally opening a drift that nobody knew was there. Acid mine drainage is a huge problem in parts of the west.
It isn't all EPA. State agencies actually take the lead on a lot of sites. They do a lot of good. They have instituted the Brownfield Program, where you can come in and put in industry on a cleaned up site without worrying about taking liability. That has helped around here, mainly through cleaning up old refineries from the olden days, and allowing new industry to occupy that land after it is all cleaned up or contained.
As for mining and drilling, there are strict laws in all states requiring you to clean up your mess when you plug an old well. I can take you to places that used to be covered with wells and let you guess where they were. You can't find them because it has been reclaimed. Coal strip and gold placer mines are also required to clean up their mess. They push the soil to the side before they strip. When they are done, they fill it back in with tailings and push the topsoil back on. If you want to see some messes, look at old strip mines that were never cleaned up.
In Oklahoma, we used to have a problem with companies going bankrupt, and nobody being there to clean it up. We passed a 1 cent per barrel voluntary tax (that we all happily pay), and since it started, they have cleaned up the vast majority of old orphan wells in the state. It turned out to be a very good deal, and it cost almost nothing. The farmers are happy, the state is happy, everyone is happy.
I remember one field that was drilled up in the 20's. Back then wooden derricks would abut each other, because there were no spacing statutes. It looked like the moon because they let their saltwater run down the land and creeks. Almost all wells produce at least some saltwater. Now we separate it at the wellhead, and properly dispose of it by injecting it in zones that already contain saltwater. Deep zones.
Anyway, I never thought they would be able to clean up this one field. It was just too big. Well, it took about five years, but that land is back to being perfectly flat wheat pasture, and you can't tell that it was ever an oil field.
It is mainly dirtwork, and that really isn't all that expensive. As for modern plugged wells, you can't tell that they were ever there unless there is a marker required by statute.
It is harder to clean up in the arid areas of the west, though. The roads going to the wells, and the pipeline right of ways are scars on the land. However, if you take the long view, the native vegetation will eventually come back.
Really huge mines all have two things in common, though. A hole in the ground and a pile of rocks next to it, as long as it is in operation.
It is a cost we all pay for our copper and other necessary minerals, but when the mine is done, in the modern age, it is reclaimed.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 11, 2016 - 10:32am PT
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Yeah, read the article two posts up. It's a good read.
Incidentally, I do think the Hammonds got screwed in the sentencing, maybe in the whole conviction based on what I've read of the case (which admittedly isn't much). Our justice system isn't based so much on justice as it is on ensuring you get due process. In other words, you get your day in court, your opportunity to prove you're found not guilty (I didn't say innocent, did I?). We assume that's going to ensure justice gets served; but in the real world it doesn't always work that way.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/salvaging-a-lesson-from-the-animas-river-spill-1441841582
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