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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say.... just saw this on a weather site...
does anyone know more info on this... or whatever:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Aging-Levee-System-Could-Crumble-in-Quake/290751961
thanks, was just curious, as, i never heard much (when i lived in calif, years ago) about it...
but we were down in san jose, so perhaps it was 'out of sight out of mind'
(though, wow, should not have been) ...
oops, edit:
will check them out, thank you mouse...
i NEVER realized, how this water helped so far, south though... oh my...
though, i did know that large reservoirs, did...
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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None of that rain making it to Salt Lake. Last two days were record highs for SLC, and yesterday was only one degree off the record high for the month of Feb.
Good information on temp/drought trends here:
http://wasatchweatherweenies.blogspot.com/
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Yesterday was remarkable:
In the middle of winter, on the eastern Sierra, there is a huge fire that runs up to the crest of the range, DURING a very significant rain/snow storm.
I don't remember anything like that ever happening!!
I'd imagine it is because all the plants have such a low moisture content.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, ken m... oh my, thank you for sharing...
prayers for all...
i used your quote, to share about this... thank you, again...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, mouse... wow, i did not know there was a quarry... for making stone for these levies... oh my...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I'm happy to recant on my statement at the top of this page and I apologize to the old duck-goat, WBrain.
As to levees, DMT, that's a nutshell, a condensed version. It is enough to prod me into looking at an old thread, t*r's ordinary courage, where I put this reference.
One of the best books on California local history is one by a "real dude"
named William Turner Ellis. His photo in the book proves the man was sharp-dressing,
barber-shop attending, and quite observant.
It is Memories: My seventy-two years in the romantic county of Yuba, California.
Levee wars, mining lore, and how to cope growing up in Yuba.
Therein is the truth about how levees only exacerbate flooding, trading one side of the river for the other as the levees on both sides compete, hoping to spare themselves at the expense of the neighbors over there on the side with the blonde who...
never mind about the blonde...
Read it for yourselves.
http://www.yubaroots.com/history/memories-index.htm
I'm glad to report a big time rainstorm here today and last night.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, DMT... wow, and man oh man... thanks for getting back to me... oh my...
and, see, never in school did we have a clue about any of this 'calif stuff'... though, as i said i was san jose, but still... this is a MID calif that affects more than half the state and we grew up so ignorant, but then, too, as you said:
folks did not know all this, back in my day, THEN:
i married and moved away...
yet, all my family friends and loved-one, live in calif...
(just a few, out)...
my old homeland, is still very dear to me... :(
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! for all this info...
mouse!!! thank you so much, as well...
i will sure have a share with this, with my 'delta friend'...
she has had a fear of this...
now , too, i understand her flood insurance dilemma... etc...
though, i have never understood, folks building in flood zones, :(
but, i think like a mommy, not a 'let's make big business at expense of lives' ...
thank you again, DMT
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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With a warning of another Santa Ana Wind event about to happen, and having just gotten over another, it occured to me....what's up with that???
I tend to be sensitive to wind conditions, being a sailor out on the water nearly weekly. I think of Santa Anas as being an october-timed event, for the most part. Not Jan-Feb.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:44am PT
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As Dingus notes, there was/is a big push to re-evaluate and reinforce many of those structures. The dam at Perris is about to start construction on reinforcement any time now.
The odd thing at Perris is, despite the drought, the groundwater basin is basically full. Cal water project feeds the lake as I understand it, with the original dam structure designed to infiltrate into the aquifer.
So my work campus, being only a few miles away from the dam, and upgradient of the subsurface flows, is experiencing rising groundwater to the tune of 0.5-2ft PER YEAR for several decades now, primarily because the lake infiltration is cutting off the upgradient flow paths. This has been happening more or less since the 70s, and is becoming critical now with std construction projects hitting groundwater at depths as shallow as 8ft. Stormwater detention basins, which are required to empty in a certain period of time after rain events (can't have standing water in them all the time) are now hitting groundwater during construction of the basins...I see this more frequently as all these warehouse mega projects get built in the Riverside/MoVal/Orangecrest zone.
This, in turn, means that water is infiltrating underground utilities like electrical/communications conduit banks, storm drains, sanitary sewer lines, etc. I've heard the AirForce base just a couple miles away is having the same issues but slightly worse, we met with them a couple months ago in a large gathering of local govts, businesses, stakeholders.
Irony of ironies...major drought, in the desert, and we have too much water. Have to wonder what the long-term plan is for cal water project with respect to the Lake. If they intended to use the infilitration for storage, they were wildly successful...but now what? Need to cut the flow this far south, redirect it to a better use than raising already problematic groundwater levels.
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10b4me
climber
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Feb 13, 2015 - 07:26am PT
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I have been reading that some ski resorts are open for mountain biking now.
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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Feb 13, 2015 - 08:07am PT
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Drove up Hwy.395 from Lone Pine to Minden yesterday . The High Sierra snowpack is very thin & very high for this time of year . Weather is warmer than most Springs . Good cycling .
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Feb 13, 2015 - 10:39am PT
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Here in Bishop we have had .61 inches, 9% of normal. Shorts and t shirt today.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 15, 2015 - 09:38am PT
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Re: Perris
I don't understand the thinking, there. It is a great opportunity to pump groundwater for the benefit of the community. Cheap, assured, clean water.
I agree, it seems like the flooding of the aquifer has been successful----it just seems like they don't know how to deal with success?
Could there be a groundwater contamination problem, like we have in the San Fernando Valley, that'll cost a billion to fix?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 15, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
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This doesn't need to be a huge problem for Ca, just a complicated manageable one.
There are a variety of engineering processes that can tremendously insulate a community/city from this.
The farming situation is more complex, but ultimately manageable, as well.
Ultimately, it needs to be seen as a sin to be WASTING water.
Not that we should be using the same ones, but there were civilizations that solved this problem a thousand years ago.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Feb 15, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
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Let's all just move to Phoenix.
Daily highs over 100 degrees for about 4 months per year.
Metro area population
1980 1.5 million
2012 4.3 million
2030 6.3 million est.
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