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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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None. They should be more severe. It's a joke now days you go to prison for 3 years for having a pound of pot in TX, but in CA, you go to jail for 6 months for armed robbery.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Just a couple thoughts...
It's about political freedom Jingy.
Not hunting.
Not defense.
This:
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Hope that helps.
 Couch, you say its not for defence, yet you cite Jefferson who clearly states the right to "keep and bear arms is to protact themselves against tyranny in government".... If that is not plainly a statement that points to "defense" than I don't know what is? In order for the protection against tyranny there would have to be tyranny.... and so far only republicons are all in favor of that, but it ain't happened yet.
Another thing, "political freedom"? Really? Just parcing those words would get us to a funny place if we go by dictionary definitions, but that's yet another thing. The right to keep and bear is not a political statement, its a right (and I'm certainly not trying to take that from anyone)... just trying to get people to think about what they are doing when they hold up the "I'm gonna protect myself with my sidearm" and how it can be prooven to have no effect on the holder of the sidearm in the end.
Unless you plan on doing something the gun is useless or only helpful after the fact, after the first shots have been fired.
Hell, you might not even plan to do something and end up harming people (how many pharmicutical adds do we have to see mentioning possible side-effects of depression and anxiety before we see the connection....) there may be no control of ones brain at some point, and having a gun on hand may resuilt in unnecessary deaths.
just sayin....
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Infinite recursion detected
kill -9 thisthread
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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As far as I can tell, there are no laws in the state of California that require an individual to report a gun lost or stolen. Also no requirements to register rifles or shotguns you bring from another state.
Let me know if you can find otherwise: http://oag.ca.gov/firearms
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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MEMEMEME said: "I really am trying to figure out why people who love guns are so against ANY further regulation."
My response to Memememe"
Go back and read my posts. If you are still confused why I will go in depth.
When it comes down to it what is the number 1 reason we should not have stricter requirements to get guns?
A blah blah blah
B blah blah blah
blah
Refer to my first reply. I can keep repeating it. Apparently I will have too as there must be literacy issues here. Do they let you vote Mechrist?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jingy, I was referring to self defense at the mall or grocery store kind of thing. Wonder if MEMEME will bother to read your post which indicates you could answer his question and have read what I posted.
Nice Jingy. Thanks. BTW, I didn't have any guns for @30 years till the last kid left the home, but my thoughts have remained steady on the reason for their ownership the entire time. That we do not need them for that purpose is a relief, and I hope they are never needed or used in that regard.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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jstan,
The argument for reducing the population of guns in America is that if there were fewer legal firearms in circulation, it would be harder for those who can only obtain them illegally. In addition, insurance and tort liability create a financial incentive for legal gun owners to store and use their weapons with optimal care.
I'm not sure the effect on the margins will be as great as I hope, but I don't see how it could hurt. If nothing else, it should make the cost of maintaining a personal arsenal more in line with the societal cost, and it doesn't require any change to existing Second Amendment jurisprudence.
John
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Yeah, go back through 1300+ posts to find couchmaster's words of wisdom... the same person who uses Mexico's gun regulations to illustrate why more gun regulation in the US would never work. ha.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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EXEMPLARY LOCAL LAW
Sacramento, California21
In 2007, the City of Sacramento, California joined the rising number of California localities that have enacted ordinances requiring firearm owners to report lost or stolen firearms. Sacramento’s ordinance makes it unlawful for any person who owns or possesses a firearm to “knowingly or negligently” fail to report such loss or theft. The person must report this information to the Sacramento Police Department within 48 hours of when the person “knew or should have known” that the firearm was lost or stolen. This requirement applies when the owner or possessor resides in the City, or the theft or loss of the firearm occurred in the City. A violation of this requirement is a misdemeanor.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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insurance for guns?? right after insurance on ROPES....
speaking of "pathetic"
I have insurance both on guns from theft and also liability insurance in case I shoot someone and they or their family sue me and win
This is offered through the NRA, among other organizations
The NRA strongly supports gun owners having such insurance
most people know this, especially those that have killed or might kill a person
duh
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Will they cover your legal fees in case you shoot someone breaking into your house who poses great bodily harm and or death to you?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Thanks michaeld. Sounds like Sacramento has stepped up, back in 2009(?). But that is not a state law and only applies to people in the city. It is a good start none the less.
Rong, when is the last time a climbing rope was used to kill dozens of innocent people? Again with the ignorant, retarded false equivalency bullsh#t.
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Rick Krause
Trad climber
Madras, Or
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Armed Citizen: A woman hiding in her attic with children shot an intruder multiple times before fleeing to safety. Her husband said, "My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner."
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/
For the people that want to take all the guns away from good people, what are you going to say to this woman?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Get a cell phone and call the police?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Should I list the number of times someone called the police and then was harmed by an intruder? It is higher than the number of people killed by beatings in the US. Which is higher than gun murders.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Should I list the number of times people I know have had the need to pull a gun to protect themselves, their loved ones, or their property....
0
And I know at least 10 people.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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I've had to unholster my weapon just once. That was on the job though.
I know a great many people who have never taken a leader fall. Should they not use a rope or a belay?
Most skydivers have never had a function. Should they not have a reserve?
Of course, ropes and reserves can't be used to kill anyone so it is quite different, but still, your personal experience Wes doesn't mean diddly.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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That's silly logic. If you put yourself in a position that requires certain safety equipment, the yes, you should use that safety equipment. And it ain't my personal experience. It is the experience of every person I have ever known (except my bro-in-law who is a cop).
My point, which you reinforced, is that the VAST MAJORITY of gun owners never have the need to use their guns. The fact that even more people are frantically buying up guns they have never needed before, out of fear of situations they have never found themselves in before, will most likely only create situations where they actually need them. Self-fulfilling prophecy bullsh#t.
A friend in Salt Lake carries. His reason "because any dipshit can get a permit to carry after taking a 2 hour class... and that scares the sh#t out of me."
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feel better now, Honey Boo Boo?
When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away." - Phillip Van Cleave (October 30, 2007)
Van Cleave is the president of the Virginia Citizen's Defense League (VCDL).
"There's no such thing as a good gun. There's no such thing as a bad gun. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a very dangerous thing. A gun in the hands of a good person is no danger to anyone except the bad guys."
-Charlton Heston, 15 Sept 1997, Fox News Channel
"Among Other Evils Which Being Unarmed Brings You, It Causes You To Be Despised"
The Prince, Niccolo Machiavell
"Americans used to roar like lions for liberty; now we bleat like sheep for security."
— Norman Vincent Peale
Security without liberty is called prison.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.
"You cannot invade the mainland United
States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity” - Sigmund Freud
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Robert Heinlein
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
-Wayne LaPierre, NRA Executive Vice President
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
-Benjamin Franklin
“Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense.”
John Adams
"Laws can't control the lawless"
-Wayne LaPierre, NRA Executive Vice President
“The right is absolute … government has no authority to forbid me from owning a firearm … the debate is not about guns. It is about freedom.”
California State Sen. Tom McClintock, 6/9/2001
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who comes near that precious jewel. Unfortunately, nothing
will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined.
Patrick Henry
“The Second Amendment is not about duck hunting, and I know I’m not going to make very many friends saying this, but it’s about our right, all of our right to be able to protect ourselves from all of you guys up there.”
Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp, appearing before Representative Charles Schumer’s committee hearings on the assault weapons ban
“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
Samuel Adams
“Though defensive violence will always be a ’sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.”
St. Augustine
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed- unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
James Madison
“The fundamental force behind the Second Amendment is to empower the people and give them the greatest measure of authority over the tyranny of runaway government.”
U.S. Rep. Bob Schaffer, 2002
Dangerous laws created by well intentioned people today can be used by dangerous people with evil intentions tomorrow.”
Alan Eppers
“We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.”
Thomas Jefferson
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Wes: That's silly logic. If you put yourself in a position that requires certain safety equipment, the yes, you should use that safety equipment. And it ain't my personal experience. It is the experience of every person I have ever known (except my bro-in-law who is a cop).
Think of a gun as safety equipment then and being alive as a position that requires certain safety equipment.
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