Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
This thread has been locked
Messages 7361 - 7380 of total 9765 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 23, 2011 - 11:45pm PT
AAaannnnd who was responsible for that high inflation?
Jimmy Carter. Democrat Carter.
Liberal/leftist Carter

Seriously, Donald, do you really think Carter was the cause of the inflation of the '70s? Is that Why Ford started the "Whip Inflation Now" program? Is that why Nixon imposed the wage and price freeze in '71? Because they knew Jimmy Carter would cause inflation in 1976?

Is it this lack of historical knowledge and the resultant faulty analysis the reason you vote Republican?
apogee

climber
Aug 23, 2011 - 11:52pm PT
JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs

JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS

JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs

JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS

JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs

JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS

JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs

JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:26am PT
It's conventional wisdom in Washington to blame the federal government's dire financial outlook on runaway entitlement spending. Unless we rein in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, the conventional wisdom goes, the federal government is headed for disaster.

That's true in the long run. But what is causing massive deficits now? Is it the same entitlements that threaten the future?

Yes, say some conservatives who favor making entitlement reform a key issue in the 2012 campaign. "We're $1.5 trillion in debt," Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol said Sunday, referring to this year's projected deficit. "Where's the debt coming from? It's coming from entitlements."

There's no doubt federal spending has exploded in recent years. In fiscal 2007, the last year before things went haywire, the government took in $2.568 trillion in revenues and spent $2.728 trillion, for a deficit of $160 billion. In 2011, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, the government will take in $2.230 trillion and spend $3.629 trillion, for a deficit of $1.399 trillion.

That's an increase of $901 billion in spending and a decrease of $338 billion in revenue in a very short time. Put them together, and that's how you go from a $160 billion deficit to a $1.399 trillion deficit.

But how, precisely, did that happen? Was there a steep rise in entitlement spending? Did everyone suddenly turn 65 and begin collecting Social Security and using Medicare? No: The deficits are largely the result not of entitlements but of an explosion in spending related to the economic downturn and the rise of Democrats to power in Washington. While entitlements must be controlled in the long run, Washington's current spending problem lies elsewhere.

A lot of the higher spending has stemmed directly from the downturn. There is, for example, spending on what is called "income security" -- that is, for unemployment compensation, food stamps and related programs. In 2007, the government spent $365 billion on income security. In 2011, it's estimated to spend $622 billion. That's an increase of $257 billion.

Then there is Medicaid, the health care program for lower-income Americans. A lot of people had lower incomes due to the economic downturn, and federal expenditures on Medicaid -- its costs are shared with the states -- went from $190 billion in 2007 to an estimated $276 billion in 2011, an increase of $86 billion. Put that together with the $257 billion increase in income security spending, and you have $343 billion.

Add to that the $338 billion in decreased revenues, and you get $681 billion -- which means nearly half of the current deficit can be clearly attributed to the downturn.

That's a deficit increase that would have happened in an economic crisis whether Republicans or Democrats controlled Washington. But it was the specific spending excesses of President Obama and the Democrats that shot the deficit into the stratosphere.

There is no line in the federal budget that says "stimulus," but Obama's massive $814 billion stimulus increased spending in virtually every part of the federal government. "It's spread all through the budget," says former Congressional Budget Office chief Douglas Holtz-Eakin. "It was essentially a down payment on the Obama domestic agenda." Green jobs, infrastructure, health information technology, aid to states -- it's all in there, billions in increased spending.

As for the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP -- it has no specific line in the budget, either, but that is because it was anticipated to pay nearly all of its own cost, which it has.

Spending for Social Security and Medicare did go up in this period -- $162 billion and $119 billion, respectively -- but by incremental and predictable amounts that weren't big problems in previous years. "We're getting older one year at a time, and health care costs grow at 7 or 8 percent a year," says Holtz-Eakin. If Social Security and Medicare were the sole source of the current deficit, it would be a lot smaller than it is.

The bottom line is that with baby boomers aging, entitlements will one day be a major budget problem. But today's deficit crisis is not one of entitlements. It was created by out-of-control spending on everything other than entitlements. The recent debt-ceiling agreement is supposed to put the brakes on that kind of spending, but leaders have so far been maddeningly vague on how they'll do it.

This issue could be an important one in the coming presidential race. Should Republicans base their platform on entitlement reform, or should they focus on the here and now -- specifically, on undoing the damage done by Obama and his Democratic allies? In coming months, the answer will likely become clear: entitlements someday, but first things first.

Byron York, The Examiner's chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:30am PT
TGT....Oh please..I think the Republicans should spend their time undoing the harm Obama has done....They could start by outsourcing more jobs and giving bigger tax breaks to the higher income earners...That would right the ship....Eh?
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:33am PT
Entitlement? What entitlement, I've been paying into SS for over 30 years.

Are you Republican voters that stupid? See Donald's comments on inflation for another fine example.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:39am PT
You are correct SS is NOT an entitlement.

It's money that you paid in in good faith that the Feds have stolen by writing worthless IOU s on it.

Starting when?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:50am PT
Apogee, you have nailed it.

The Republican strategy at this point is crystal clear. They must, they MUST absolutely prevent there from being any jobs created in the United States!

It is their national priority!

How can they do this? Watch.

There are two types of jobs. Government jobs and private jobs.

That's it, folks!

The private jobs fall into two categories, large corporate jobs, and small business jobs.

-they already control the corporations. Don't expect large corporate jobs to be added. Cisco, HSBC, Bank of Am all announced layoffs of ten THOUSAND EACH in the last month.

-gov't jobs anyone? notice all the talk about shrinking gov't budgets? what do you think that is? What do you think has happened at the state and local level?

-small business. The traditional driver of the economy. Everyone seems to understand that small business is critical to expansion of the economy and the job market. It is. What factors are involved?

----access to capital (loans) interest rates COULD NOT BE LOWER, and they can not be pushed down. Nothing to do here.

----put more money into business owners pockets, and they will hire people.
WRONG. WOULD YOU? That is called PROFIT. Why give it away by hiring people you don't need? It essentially has no effect.

----stimulate the economy so that people have money to buy goods and services. NOW I'll hire people, buy additional stock, pay additional taxes

----pay incentives to hire employees in conjunction with above. Will hire sooner tha would otherwise.

So you can see, the Republicans will do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO STOP the last two, which might actually get the economy moving.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:54am PT
they MUST absolutely prevent there from being any jobs created in the United States!

BHO is making sure of that himself!


Repubs don't need to do anything!

John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:58am PT
----stimulate the economy so that people have money to buy goods and services. NOW I'll hire people, buy additional stock, pay additional taxes

----pay incentives to hire employees in conjunction with above. Will hire sooner tha would otherwise.

So you can see, the Republicans will do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO STOP the last two, which might actually get the economy moving.

I'm glad someone understands this. Thanks Ken, for the analysis. The wealthy don't create jobs, demand creates jobs.

apogee

climber
Aug 24, 2011 - 01:07am PT
JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs

JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS

JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs

JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS

JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs

JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS

JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs

JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS jobs JOBS
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 24, 2011 - 01:18am PT
TGT wrote: Repubs don't need to do anything!


They need to create wars, class and combat. They need to give tax cuts to the upper one percent. They need to fight against gay unions, health care, SS, Medicare, education, science, the EPA, abortion rights and civil rights.

They are flat earthers...they will die off.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 24, 2011 - 04:27am PT
But today's deficit crisis is not one of entitlements. It was created by out-of-control spending on everything other than entitlements.

Yet again - no - it was created by two unfunded wars and a steady erosion of corporate tax receipts and receipts from the wealthy.



healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 24, 2011 - 04:58am PT
So by that supply-side thinking, and with the tax cuts on corporations and the wealthy of the past ten years, we should be swimming in jobs and have a gangbuster economy because all the money has just funneling back in to fuel the economy. Right.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Aug 24, 2011 - 07:51am PT
biden on china's reproduction laws: "i understand"


wh spin: “The Obama Administration strongly opposes all aspects of China’s coercive birth limitation policies, including forced abortion and sterilization. The Vice President believes such practices are repugnant. He also pointed out, in China, that the policy is, as a practical matter, unsustainable. He was arguing against the One Child Policy to a Chinese audience.”


"war is peace"


winston smith is evil


they told me if i voted for mccain i'd get a moron for vp...they were right
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 24, 2011 - 10:33am PT
It's money that you paid in in good faith that the Feds have stolen by writing worthless IOU s on it.

Yes, indeed, TGT. A good point, but that only shows what a good program SS is.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 24, 2011 - 11:51am PT
No, tovarich, first we cutoff those lazy do-nothings on Wall Street. It's time they earned their own living instead of leeching off hard working people.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:33pm PT
Stock was originally a method of raising money to expand a business or keep it growing. The stock was traded for its value as a debt to the company issuing it.


Rox, I get your point. Just want to clarify--bonds are issued as a debt instruments, stocks are equity. The difference? Bonds are loans, stocks are partial ownerships.


Carry on ...
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:50pm PT
"The problem is, is that the way [Obama] has done it over the last [three] years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 4[3] presidents – #4[4] added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $[13] trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic."


that's right..."U-N-P-A-T-R-I-O-T-I-C"
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:53pm PT



Questions:

What was the average monthly private sector job growth in 2008, the final year of the Bush presidency, and what has it been so far in 2010?


What was the Federal deficit for the last fiscal year of the Bush presidency, and what was it for the first full fiscal year of the Obama presidency?


What was the stock market at on the last day of the Bush presidency? What is it at today?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Aug 24, 2011 - 02:19pm PT
bush: $4 trillion in defecit spending in 96 months

barry: $4.9 trillion in defecit spending in 31 months
Messages 7361 - 7380 of total 9765 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
 
Our Guidebooks
spacerCheck 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks

guidebook icon
Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Recent Route Beta