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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:22am PT
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Plenty of us served, Ricky. And encountered countless loudmouthed morons like you during our service. Some of us continue to serve today, in different clothes, making these installations function.
It's beyond comical when you little napoleans break out the "you'd all be in the gulag speaking chinese/russian if it weren't for us". Give me a break. No military has invaded our shores since WWII, and that was thousands of miles from the mainland. The nuclear arsenal, not your little yipping chihuahua ass is what provided our defense. You know, those big ass warheads on the end of a big 'ol ICBM, both designed by...scientists.
So what the hell does any of that have to do with AGW?
And why on earth do you think that using a public sewer system is somehow less worthy than having a shitpit in your yard, or using the grid is less worthy than being "off the grid"? Does the term "economy of scale" mean anything to you? Ever wonder why your Navy didn't just send you deckswabbing buffoons out in 20,000 rowboats instead of a ship?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:24am PT
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LOL, Chief complains about a forum for climate scientists at the National Centre for Atmopherics Science, but prefers instead to quote the Sierra Club.
Please keep the discussion scientific and on topic – this is not meant to be a typical blog discussion of the consensus view on climate science.
What part of "not meant to be" don't you understand, Chief?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:37am PT
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You know, those big ass warheads on the end of a big 'ol ICBM, both designed by...scientists.
No they were designed by stupid cave men.
Cave men throw rocks at each other because they're stupid.
These modern cave men just made glorified rocks to throw at each other.
They're still stupid.
The intelligent class of men don't need these stupid things that harm the entire harmony of consciousness.
Stupid brainwashed Americans have no clue .....
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:47am PT
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You are a bitter old man Dr.
You are mean man Dr.
You should become a nice man again ...... :-)
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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Cave men throw rocks at each other because they're stupid
Werner, ALL men throw rocks at each other, since the beginning of time, and they always will. Almost all creatures on this planet fight. For food, for mates, for territory. Birds, ants, men, you name it.
You are here in this thread fighting, throwing your verbal rocks. So who's stupid, Stupid?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:53am PT
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ALL men throw rocks
You have not met ALL men.
So your statement is not true.
Thus your statement is stupid ...... :-)
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Thats a lot of "WILL BE'S"
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:59am PT
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wow, this is a bizarre place...
LOL
It sure is LOL
And the only way to make thru a place like this is join inmates ......
:-)
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 13, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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Dr, F, here is a serious question for you since you're a climate scientist; we are passing solar max and heading into the deepest minimum for over a hundred years, the PDO and now probably the AMO are in negative phase, their has been better than average volcanic aerosol's injected into the atmosphere of late-since these three negative feedbacks are aligned what will average global temps be doing over the next five years?
Ed look upstream for reference to three (of many hundreds) reconstructions of regional (far away from the north atlantic) conditions during MWP and LIA.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 13, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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OK thanks Dr.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
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Based on leaked portions of draft version of the IPCC assessment, others have pointed out that one of its key messages is the report's finding that the world's scientific community is in more agreement than ever that global warming is not only an unprecedented planetary crisis, but that more than 95% of all scientists believe, beyond doubt, that it is being driven by human- and industrial-driven activities.
As Goodell—in a thorough new piece that reviews both the history of the IPCC's process and its possible future—writes:
"The IPCC's Fifth Assessment Report offers slam-dunk evidence that burning fossil fuels is the cause of most of the temperature increases of recent decades, and warn that sea levels could rise by almost three feet by the end of the century if we don't change our ways. The report will underscore that the basic facts about climate change are more established than ever, and that the consequences of escalating carbon pollution are likely to mean that, as The New York Times recently argued, "babies being born now could live to see the early stages of a global calamity."
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 13, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
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Come on Sumner, tell us that strawman lie again about the basis of the "whole notion of AGW".
How's that list of citations coming, btw?
But, but K-man, there was once a medieval warm period! There was a little ice age! So therefore man cannot influence the climate by releasing carbon-chain energy stored over millions of years in a 100 year period. Derpy derpa doo.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 13, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
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Chief, how much of your VA check goes to buying tape strong enough to keep your head on your shoulders?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 13, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
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Trolling denialist websites for sciency talking points, Rick Sumner reprises one:
Anyway- back to the science-take two. In case you thought the reconstructed MWP of southern South America a singular fluke, here is another of many, this time Chile. It seems the MWP and LIA were global.
that was posted here by the similarly-informed "Knott" back in May:
Also this particular recently published peer reviewed study that throws a big time curve ball into Mann's Hockey Stick theory.
Since it's come 'round again, seems appropriate to repost a response from the first time:
Knott, you're trolling denier sites for what you think are science talking points, and you can keep doing that forever. How about exerting effort to read and think things out for yourself before you copy and paste? You failed twice now.
The reconstruction of summer temperatures in southern South American throws no kind of "big time curve ball" into Mann's studies or the many others that concluded recent global or northern hemisphere temperatures are anomalous. And the authors of the study you quoted describe their own work as a contribution that fills in missing details, not a refutation of earlier work. They explicitly note the connection to Mann's studies (emphasis added):
"Until recently, the rather low number and uneven spatial distribution of temporally-highly-resolved proxies from the Southern Hemisphere (SH) did not allow reliable continental scale reconstructions to be developed at interannual to interdecadal time scales (Jansen et al. 2007; Mann and Jones 2003). Consequently, the few existing multi-proxy temperature reconstructions from the SH focus on the hemispheric mean (Jones et al. 1998; Mann and Jones 2003; Mann et al. 2008) and depend upon on a small number of SH proxies (see e.g., Ljungqvist 2009 and references therein). Accordingly, these reconstructions do not provide reliable representations of the spatial patterns, trends and amplitudes of regional to continental scale SH climate. However, reconstructions of high spatial and temporal resolution are important, because they illuminate key climatic features, such as regionally very hot/cool seasonal conditions that may be masked in a hemispheric reconstruction."
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-010-0793-3
For a continental-scale (not just southern, not just summertime) South America temperature reconstruction, the most recent I know of is PAGES 2k. And they conclude that "The twentieth century ranked as the warmest or nearly the warmest century in all regions except Antarctica."
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full/ngeo1797.html
Like "Knott," Rick has not tried to read or understand the science, but hears what he wants to hear from the political bloggers instead.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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The Chief, it doesn't matter if I posted a scientific reviewed article or words from God herself, you will believe what you want to believe, and nobody is going to change your mind.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 13, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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That's right Chief, I read it. Did you? Did you read what they concluded, and why?
Did you read the next study I quoted, and understand how that relates to the first?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 13, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
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Hawkings has been in a battle of wits exactly the same as this one. Everybody in his field tell him he is full of shet. A complete whacko. It has been the story throughout his professional scientific life.
You might try getting his name correct first. Hawking, not Hawkings.
And I think the Univ of Cambridge might be surprised to know "everyone in his field" tells him he is full of it given he was the Lucasian (sp?) Prof of Math for about 30 years or something. One of the most prestigious academic posts in the world, btw.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 13, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
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The Chief's implication is that he is Inyo County's version of Hawking(s) and Einstein...
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 13, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
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So why not just start your own "Everyone But Me is a Hypocrite and On The Take" thread and stop polluting this one?
Seems to me to be a lot more direct. You're a man of action, not a White Coat. Why are you wasting time here?
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