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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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Since it seems nothing can be done to roll back climate change, the question that arises is:
What's better? Doing nothing? Or doing something ineffective? That seems to be our choice here.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
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So, the whole base of current CAGW science is built upon the notion that the warming of the immediate past (1977-1998), is both more rapid, and of higher levels than that seen in any other period of the Holocene over the last 13,000 years. To support this notion, huge amounts of time and money were spent to marginalize rapid, intense, changes like the little ice age, medieval warm period, dark ages and roman warm period. The prevailing and false narrative in the CAGW community is that these periods were not only less intense than the modern warm period but were regional in extent rather than global. The Medieval warm period has been falsely isolated to the area of the north Atlantic. Below is a link to synopsis of a 2011 paper demonstrating that the Medieval Warm Period extended all the way to southern south America. More to follow-let's digest one at a time.
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V14/N50/C3.php
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
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garbage in, garbage out:
http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs/Climate%20change/Climate%20model%20results/over%20estimate.pdf
no wonder those "consensus" scientists don't want to share their data
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 12, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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the whole base of current CAGW science is built upon the notion
No, it isn't. You don't even grasp the most basic concepts involved. You love to keep droning on and on about medieval warm periods and little ice ages and all that.
Your "notion" from above has nothing to do with the science that AGW is built upon. You love to create a strawman, and voila, here's another of them.
Whether there were past natural drivers that exceeded current anthopogenic forced warming rates, has exactly f*#k-all do with the "notion" that AGW science is built upon.
What's with the strawman fetish? Get diddled to the Wizard of Oz as kid or something?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 12, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
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Waste of time arguing with chief bw Ron and others...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 12, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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Fort Mental,I did not post earlier to contradict you.
Yes people drive suvs to sustainablity fairs.
We ride bikes.Not all,but quite a few.In this area CC HAS been present.
If one seen Sandy and the wake of its destruction,one would be willing to change.
I think[around here]alot of people are starting to give a sh#t.
I care also,and have sacrificed alot myself.
The glass is always half full.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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So, other than a personal attack by capintheazz nobody disputes my last post with synopsis of a peer reviewed paper with the finding that the Medieval Warm period was more pronounced in southern South America than the modern warm period. Ok good, now on to Africa. Here is a reconstruction by proxie's of the same period in the rift valley.
Well, back to the drawing board-can't seem to get the link to work-will get it later.
What do you mean all bullshet Chief?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 12, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
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What scare?
If you lived here and seen that.
I know thats a big if.
2 one hundred year events coupled with SEVERAL tropical depressions that never made it over the mountains before,all in the last 15 years.
See this is the problem i have with your camp,you know it must have happened in 1100 or so, so its normal now.
No.
It is not normal now,because that is what this is about .
NOW.
Not 1000 years ago when we did not have irrefutable evidence.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
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Ron- its called Late-Holocene and recent hydroclimatic variability in the central Rift Valley: The Sediment record of hypersaline lakes Bagoria, Nakura and Elementia. FortMental is right I am computer inept.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 12, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
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Maybe there is something to this climate change stuff, certainly getting flooded out in Boulder now!
Now if the scientists could somehow solve that problem, I'd be singing a different tune.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 12, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
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Sure, Anderson, man caused CO2 has nothing to do with climate.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 12, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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Isn't the guy behind ClimateDepot a former employee of both Rush Limbaugh and James Inhofe?
Certainly that helps establish his credibility.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
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Yeah that's it Ron, thanks. There is lot's more for regions around the world. I'll keep posting them.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 12, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
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Ah yes, the old science of Witchology.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
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Why ,Dr. Fry, does going from drought to flood event constitute evidence of global warming? Why does every violent weather event have to be characterized by you guys as human induced effects of climate change and when we point out lack of climate change predicted extreme events we are just cherry picking weather instead of climate? Can you twist us up an explanation that doesn't involve your usual political b,s,?
Did you guys see Dr. F delete his post just now?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
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There has been a distinct decrease in the ratio of new cold temp daily records to new hot temp daily records this year, almost three to one. The tornado season, despite an early severe few, has been well below average, the hurricane season so far nonexistent. Yes, their have been several unusual flood events, at least two so far in N.A., but i'm unsure if the frequency is unusual. What is a trend, 5 years thus far, is severe mid to upper latitude northern hemisphere winters. If you didn't know better, you would think, Bruce, that the wet weather is indicative of the phase change to global cooling we have entered, eh?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
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No, im talking five years in the case of severe northern winters. The single year weather events are a favorite for you guys to cherry pick as evidence, but when we do likewise you cry foul. Look Bruce, show me proof of higher frequency of extreme weather events predicted by global warming science-you can't unless their is a retroactive study.
There is a 1% chance of a hundred year event in any given year Craig. So are you saying the front range had back to back hundred year events?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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God Dr have you gone gay. I suggest you refrain from consuming the L.A. water buddy.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 12, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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Well Bruce, for the first 4 or 5 of those twenty years, and for the decade before that, we were in a distinct warming trend. I defy you though to produce evidence of increased floods, twisters, or hurricanes consistently out of the range of normal during these last 20 years. Show us the irrefutable evidence.
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