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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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Oct 22, 2016 - 10:36am PT
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re: "Science says"
Like it or not, we are moving from the "Bible Says" age or era to the "Science Says" age or era. This is opening a door, or doors, to next generation "faiths" or "faith disciplines" (apart from Abrahamic religions) that are going to be much more evidence-based, science-based, in their belief.
The higher the quality of belief, the higher the quality of performance. Beliefs matter.
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Just as somebody can be sure there is no Zeus or Aiwa or Shiva (without being an a-theist), you can be sure there is no God of Abraham aka Yahweh or Jehovah (without being an a-theist).
Only an Abrahamic bias doesn't see this.
Today's millenials don't have this bias, they see this.
They get this. Most of them, instantly.
Celebrate the 'Science Says' era!
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Oct 22, 2016 - 11:52am PT
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Science can prove 2+2=? But not how to love and be loved and no greater love than God's! I like both!
Edit: That's an Abrahamic sandwich!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 22, 2016 - 12:10pm PT
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Relax, go-be, rest assured, after so many posts
and cut n pastes you ARE heaven-bound.
Good works, man!
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Haven't watched a suspenseful, horror film in years.
But when I do, I'm glad it's one like this...
Don't Breathe (2016) (imdb 7.4) starring Stephen Lang (Quaritch, Avatar)
Thumbs up. (Despite a bit of cornyishness.)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4160708/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_10
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cintune
climber
The Model Home
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Oct 22, 2016 - 05:32pm PT
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When physicists look closer at objects on the micro level, and others conduct the same measured study on the meta level, both camps conclude, quite independently, without needed the other camps confirmation, that moment to moment, what appears to be there as a real thing is composed of nothing at all.
Is it possible to move on somewhere... anywhere... from this revelation of the immateriality of matter? (Disregarding forces, that is. Are forces unreal too?)
In any event yes, these two remarkably different disciplines have arrived at more-or-less the same-sounding conclusion that nothing is real. Got it.
So why then do we seem to be here anyway?
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 22, 2016 - 07:17pm PT
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So why then do we seem to be here anyway?
Obviously because we screwed up and are stupid .......
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Oct 24, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
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Werner, you love to use the term "speculators."
Do you even know what a speculation is?
It is a statement that has no evidence for or against. A better term would be a guess.
Thousands of people study and have studied, every facet of nature that can be studied, in a process that builds upon prior knowledge. It moves forwards in bursts, and now and then takes a step back, when new evidence conflicts with a prior theory that has had a degree of acceptance, but in general, as time passes, the picture becomes pretty clear, or at least it has been with regard to the creation of the Earth, and when and how it happened.
You guys tie everything to one book. For the Christians, they put all of their chips onto the creation account in Genesis.
My guess is that your faith has a different creation story. Why don't you share it with us? It would be nice to see more than on creation story.
You also must understand that this stuff is divinely revealed in most circumstances. If you look at the story told in rocks, and it conflicts in a HUGE way with that creation story, it just pisses people off.
Would you rather scientists ignore evidence and lie?
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Oct 24, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
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I looked up the Hindu creation story. Please let me know if I have this wrong:
The Hindu creation myth says that before this time began, there was no heaven, no earth and no space between. A vast dark ocean washed upon the shores of nothingness and licked the edges of the night.
A giant Cobra floated on the waters. Asleep within its endless coils lay the Lord Vishnu. He was watched over by the mighty serpent. Everything was so silent and peaceful that Vishnu slept undisturbed by dreams motion. From the depths a humming sound began to tremble, Ohm. It grew and spread, filling the emptiness and throbbing with energy.
The night had ended, Vishnu awoke. As the dawn began to break, from Vishnu's navel grew a magnificent lotus flower. In the middle of the blossom sat Vishnu's servant, Brahma. he awaited the Lord's command.
Vishnu spoke to his servant: "It's time to begin", Brahma vowed. Vishnu commanded: "Create the world". A wind swept the waters. Vishnu and the serpent vanished.
Brahma remained in the lotus flower, floating and tossing on the sea. He lifted up his arms and calmed the wind and the ocean. Then Brahma split the lotus flower into three. He stretched one part into the heavens. He made another part into the earth. with the third part of the flower he created the skies.
The earth was bare. Brahma set to work. He created grass, flowers, trees and plants of all kinds. To these he gave feeling. Next he created animals and the insects to live in the land. He made birds and many fish. To all these creatures he gave the sense of touch and smell. He gave them the power to see, hear and move. The world was soon bristling with life and the air was filled with the sound of Brahma's creation.
And this is the Hindu Creation Myth.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 24, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
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You guys tie everything to one book.
No, you do.
Look who's speculating .... none other than you.
I don't tie anything to some book.
That's what you do .....
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Oct 24, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
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Vishnu in on of his many forms.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 24, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
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You are making a mockery of something you are completely ignorant about.
But is to be expected from the clueless .....
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Oct 25, 2016 - 11:12am PT
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From my standpoint, it is you that are clueless. I've spent my entire life reading about rocks, looking at rocks, and talking about rocks.
As an aside, I've always followed astronomy. That was my first choice, until I took my first geology class.
We don't follow one book. There are thousands of geoscientists who carefully study the history of the planet.
It isn't one book. It is an army, and we are very careful what we say.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Oct 25, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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Werner, you're taking my tongue in cheek posting too seriously.
Besides that it can easily be argued that all manifestation is an iteration of Vishnu. Do you want to argue against that?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 25, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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Just reading that the Turks have decided to turn the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque... too bad. So much beauty to appreciate there from so many cultures; it's a shame it'll be dominated by one faith... hope they don't cover the mosaics again as well. Justinian must be rolling in his grave.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 25, 2016 - 04:31pm PT
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Yes, too bad.
UNESCO is not the only party that has betrayed Hagia Sophia. The silence emanating from Byzantine historians, scholars, and academics is also deafening. One would have thought that the intellectual world would have been raising the alarm at the potential loss of Hagia Sophia. If Turkey goes all the way with Hagia Sophia and completely Islamicizes the Great Church, the iconography will inevitably be destroyed or covered as occurred in 1453.
https://hellenicnews.com/betrayal-hagia-sophia-theodore-g-karakostas/
I regret being in the area a couple times bitd and not visiting.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 25, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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It's the place where, in architecture, the circle was finally squared. Mathematicians created one of the great domes in the history of architecture out of a sense of absolute faith and a fundamental concern for beauty. "Solomon I have vanquished thee."
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 26, 2016 - 10:43am PT
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Sean Carroll, another Minute Physics...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTnqKuNygE
haha, living organisms "facilitate" entropy... in other words, they are disorder polluters... in other words, they contribute to waste heat... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAMlGyaUz4M
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Kurzgesagt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijFm6DxNVyI
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Recall that critical blog post of Carroll's book (posted a few weeks back by healyje) in light of these videos which more or less parallel the book in large jumps. Really points, imo, to how inappropriate, misleading, it was.
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The best, well-written, insightful article I've read in a month...
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9210/splc-racists
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Oct 26, 2016 - 11:00am PT
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Look on the bright side: maybe the President of Turkey brother-in-law owns all the concessions in and around the Sophia and will delay its ultimate defilement -- or cancel it altogether, if we should be so lucky. All of this might depend on the influx of western tourists desperately eager to see this great piece of art before it is radically altered.
Of course the western political powers, dominated by kowtowing globalists, bureaucrats,and lapdogs, will do nothing. Similairly will the minions of meme-mongers, narrative jockeys, and nihilist nabobs that infect the western press.
Tourists and corrupt concessioneers! The fate of the Hagia Sophia lies in your hands! In your hands only!
Edit: I think the proper term would be " concessionaires". That's been bugging me all day.lol
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Biblical Accuracy
“If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?” (John 3:12)
Many who profess to be Christian intellectuals today are arguing that we should defer to the evolutionists in matters of science and history, since the real message of the Bible is spiritual. The Genesis account, for example, is not meant to give us details of the events of creation, for scientists can give us this information. It merely assures us that God is somehow behind it all. But if this were all that God meant to tell us, its very first verse is enough for that! What is the need to describe all the days and acts of creation at all if the record has no real relevance to history or science?
As the Lord Jesus told Nicodemus in our text verse, if we cannot trust God’s Word when it relates “earthly things,” how can we possibly rely on its testimony of “heavenly things”? To some extent we can check for ourselves whether or not it is accurate when it records facts of history and processes of nature, but we have no means at all of determining whether it speaks the truth when it deals with heaven and hell, with salvation and eternal life, or with God’s purpose for the world in the ages to come.
The fact is that the Bible is accurate in all matters with which it deals, scientific and historical as well as spiritual and theological. It is a dangerous thing to listen to these modern “pied pipers” of evangelicalism whose self-serving compromises with evolutionary scientism have already led multitudes of young people astray in our Christian colleges and seminaries.
We yet may not have all the answers to alleged problems in the Bible, but we can be absolutely sure of God’s Word. When the answers are found, they will merely confirm what He has said all along. He is able and willing to speak the truth, and He means what He says! HMM http://www.icr.org/article/9597/
The Promises of God
2 Corinthians 1:20-22
The Christian life rests on a foundation of God’s promises for today and for the future. We can trust everything that our heavenly Father has said to us, because His Word shows Him to be ...
Truthful. The Lord knows what is true and speaks honestly in all matters. We can be assured of this because He is holy; there is no sin in Him. He is also omniscient and understands everything (Heb. 4:12-13). His promises are based on His infinite knowledge and truthfulness.
Faithful. Scripture compares the Lord to a shepherd who “gathers the lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart” (Isa. 40:11 NIV). What He has planned for us, He will bring to fruition (Phil. 1:6). Our heavenly Father does not waver in His intentions or will.
Loving. God’s love for us was demonstrated at the cross. He sent His Son Jesus to die by crucifixion and thereby take the punishment for our sins. The Savior experienced God’s wrath against iniquity so we might know only His love. This is the ultimate proof of His devotion to us.
All-powerful. Divine power created the world and raised the Savior back to life, so we know God has the ability to carry out all His plans. Our omnipotent Father will keep every one of His promises.
A promise is valuable only if the one making it has trustworthy character and the ability to carry through. Our heavenly Father is truthful, faithful, loving, and all-powerful. We can base our entire life on His promises, secure in the knowledge that He will do just as He has said.
https://www.intouch.org/read/magazine/daily-devotions/promises-of-god
Isaiah 46:9-10
remember the former things of old;
for I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me,
declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
and I will accomplish all my purpose,’
...I wouldn't bet against GOD!
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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The Counting God
by Henry M. Morris, Ph.D.
“Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps?” (Job 31:4)
God is surely the Great Mathematician. All the intricacies of structure and process of His mighty cosmos are, at least in principle, capable of being described mathematically, and the goal of science is to do just that. This precise intelligibility of the universe clearly points to a marvelous intelligence as its Creator.
God even “telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names” (Psalm 147:4). Astronomers estimate that at least 10 trillion trillion stars exist in the heavens, and God has counted and identified each one! And that is not all: “The very hairs of your head are all numbered,” Jesus said (Matthew 10:30). From the most massive star to the tiniest hair, God has counted each component of His creation.
Such countings are far beyond human capabilities, for “the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured” (Jeremiah 33:22). But God has also created “an innumerable company of angels” (Hebrews 12:22) and has promised that the redeemed will include “a great multitude, which no man could number” (Revelation 7:9).
No wonder David exclaimed, “Many, O LORD my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered” (Psalm 40:5).
Perhaps the most wonderful of all God’s counting activities is that implied in Job’s rhetorical question: “Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps?” If He has numbered the hairs on our heads, we can be certain He numbers our steps along the way, and guides them all. “The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way” (Psalm 37:23). HMM
http://www.icr.org/article/9598/
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