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TGT
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So Cal
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Aug 19, 2011 - 10:58pm PT
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TGT
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So Cal
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Aug 19, 2011 - 11:19pm PT
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The Gorbachev of the "progressives"
When Barack Obama won the election in 2008, he was quite right that the old system needed fixing. America’s debt, its poorly educated youth, its imbalances in trade, its counterproductive tax system, its out-of-control annual spending, its culture of entitlement and subsidies, all in perfect-storm fashion were starting to coalesce and weaken America from within and the perception of America abroad. The statesmanlike thing to do — in the manner of a once-naïve Harry Truman, who woke up to the threat of Soviet-inspired global Communism, or of a Bill Clinton, who finally addressed some of the contradictions of the welfare state and deficit spending — would have been to overhaul the tax system, recalibrate Social Security and Medicare, cut spending, lecture the citizenry on personal responsibility, and address the therapeutic curriculum in our failing schools. With a 70 percent approval rating and supermajorities in both houses of Congress, Obama could have done almost anything throughout 2009.
Instead, he chose the path of Jimmy Carter and the pre-1995 Bill Clinton — even more redistributive state programs, more stifling regulations, more petulant talk about “them,” more class warfare, more debt, and more failed big government.
As a genuine reactionary wedded to the dream of the 1960s, Obama not only rejected the idea of national renewal, but hastened by a decade or so our day of reckoning with the out-of-control welfare state. Was he naïve in thinking that the private sector could be hectored and harassed, and still create enough new wealth to fund his growing redistributive agenda? Or was he Machiavellian in seeing that only by massive new debt, government regulations, and spread-the-wealth programs would America be reduced to the status of just another indebted European-style socialist state — in itself a good and long-overdue thing?
Finally, one last paradox remains: The once-divine Obama will do more to discredit the Left than any other progressive in modern history — as its greatest dream becomes its worst nightmare.
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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Aug 20, 2011 - 01:19am PT
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Interesting article in Rolling Stone highlighting the type of "regulation" that the best republicans can provide.. Wait… What is the opposite of regulate?
That's what I mean..
By Matt Taibbi
August 17, 2011 8:00 AM ET
Pete Gardner/Getty
A whistle-blower claims that over the past two decades, the agency has destroyed records of thousands of investigations, whitewashing the files of some of the nation's worst financial criminals.
Imagine a world in which a man who is repeatedly investigated for a string of serious crimes, but never prosecuted, has his slate wiped clean every time the cops fail to make a case. No more Lifetime channel specials where the murderer is unveiled after police stumble upon past intrigues in some old file – "Hey, chief, didja know this guy had two wives die falling down the stairs?" No more burglary sprees cracked when some sharp cop sees the same name pop up in one too many witness statements. This is a different world, one far friendlier to lawbreakers, where even the suspicion of wrongdoing gets wiped from the record.
That, it now appears, is exactly how the Securities and Exchange Commission has been treating the Wall Street criminals who cratered the global economy a few years back. For the past two decades, according to a whistle-blower at the SEC who recently came forward to Congress, the agency has been systematically destroying records of its preliminary investigations once they are closed. By whitewashing the files of some of the nation's worst financial criminals, the SEC has kept an entire generation of federal investigators in the dark about past inquiries into insider trading, fraud and market manipulation against companies like Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank and AIG. With a few strokes of the keyboard, the evidence gathered during thousands of investigations – "18,000 ... including Madoff," as one high-ranking SEC official put it during a panicked meeting about the destruction – has apparently disappeared forever into the wormhole of history.
Under a deal the SEC worked out with the National Archives and Records Administration, all of the agency's records – "including case files relating to preliminary investigations" – are supposed to be maintained for at least 25 years. But the SEC, using history-altering practices that for once actually deserve the overused and usually hysterical term "Orwellian," devised an elaborate and possibly illegal system under which staffers were directed to dispose of the documents from any preliminary inquiry that did not receive approval from senior staff to become a full-blown, formal investigation. Amazingly, the wholesale destruction of the cases – known as MUIs, or "Matters Under Inquiry" – was not something done on the sly, in secret. The enforcement division of the SEC even spelled out the procedure in writing, on the commission's internal website. "After you have closed a MUI that has not become an investigation," the site advised staffers, "you should dispose of any documents obtained in connection with the MUI."
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The whole system is a sham, and I personally thank republicans for creating the sh#t system we got here today
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 20, 2011 - 02:07am PT
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The governing Socialists (PSOE) have haemorrhaged voters, suffering the effects of last year's austerity programme which included public sector wage cuts.
Lets take a look at Fattrads object lesson. He points out that in Europe, the voters are about to vote out in massive ways, the governments that have enacted austerity programs, including public sector wage cuts.
Lets say that again: the voters are rebelling against governments that have enacted austerity programs, including public sector wage cuts.
Fattrad tells us that America is next.
Who, exactly, in America, is running an agenda of austerity (cutting government and government programs) and public sector wages (like Wisconson)??
THAT WOULD BE REPUBLICANS, MY FRIENDS!!
So it would appear that Fattrad is predicting that the Republican Party is facing massive backlash.
Lets watch to see what happens.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Aug 20, 2011 - 07:46am PT
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The Imperial Presidency
European royals make do with a less lavish lifestyle than the supposed citizen-executive of a so-called republic.
Rick Perry, governor of Texas, has only been in the presidential race for 20 minutes, but he’s already delivered one of the best lines in the campaign:
“I’ll work every day to try to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your life as I can.”
This will be grand news to Schylar Capo, eleven years old, of Virginia, who made the mistake of rescuing a woodpecker from the jaws of a cat and nursing him back to health for a couple of days, and for her pains, was visited by a federal Fish & Wildlife gauleiter (with accompanying state troopers) who charged her with illegal transportation of a protected species and issued her a $535 fine. If the federal child-abuser has that much time on his hands, he should have charged the cat, who was illegally transporting the protected species from his gullet to his intestine.
So eleven-year-old Schylar and other middle-schoolers targeted by the micro-regulatory superstate might well appreciate Governor Perry’s pledge. But you never know, it might just catch on with the broader population, too.
Bill Clinton thought otherwise. “I got tickled by watching Governor Perry,” said the former president. “And he’s saying, ‘Oh, I’m going to Washington to make sure that the federal government stays as far away from you as possible — while I ride on Air Force One and that Marine One helicopter and go to Camp David and travel around the world and have a good time.’ I mean, this is crazy.”
This is the best argument the supposedly smartest operator in the Democratic party can muster? If Bill Clinton wants to make the increasingly and revoltingly unrepublican lifestyle of the American president a campaign issue, Governor Perry should call his bluff. If I understand correctly the justification advanced by spokesgropers for the Transport Security Administration, the reason they poke around the genitalia of three-year-old girls and make wheelchair-bound nonagenarians in the final stages of multiple sclerosis remove their diapers in public is that by doing so they have made commercial air travel the most secure environment in the United States. In that case, why can’t the president fly commercial?
You’d be surprised how many heads of state do. Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands flies long haul on KLM. Don’t worry, she’s not in coach all night squeezed next to the mom with the crying baby and the party of English soccer hooligans baying moronic victory chants all night. She rides up front and has so many aides that sometimes she’ll book the entire first class cabin! By contrast, the president of the United States took his personal 747 (a transatlantic aircraft designed to hold 500 people that costs a fifth of a million dollars per hour to run) to go from Washington to a Democratic party retreat in Williamsburg, Va., 150 miles away.
Queen Margrethe of Denmark flies commercial, too. For local trips she has a small Challenger jet. When she’s not zipping around in it, they use it for fishery enforcement off Greenland. Does that detail alone suggest that a thousand-year dynasty dating back to King Gorm the Sleepy (regnant 936–958) travels in rather less luxury than the supposed citizen-executive of a so-called republic of limited government? Undoubtedly King Gorm the Sleepy would have slept a lot better on Air Force One, yet the Danish royal family seems to get by.
Symbols are important. In other circumstances, the Obamas’ vacation on Martha’s Vineyard might not be terribly relevant. But this is a president who blames his dead-parrot economy on “bad luck” — specifically, the Arab Spring and the Japanese tsunami: As Harry S. Truman would have said, the buck stops at that big hole in the ground that’s just opened up over in Japan. Let us take these whiny excuses at face value and accept for the sake of argument that Obama’s Recovery Summer would now be going gangbusters had not the Libyan rebels seized Benghazi and sent the economy into a tailspin. Did no one in the smartest administration in history think this might be the time for the president to share in some of the “bad luck” and forgo an ostentatious vacation in the exclusive playground of the rich? When you’re the presiding genius of the Brokest Nation in History, enjoying the lifestyle of the super-rich while allegedly in “public service” sends a strikingly Latin American message. Underlining the point, the president then decided to pass among his suffering people by touring small town Minnesota in an armored Canadian bus accompanied by a 40-car motorcade. In some of these one-stoplight burgs, the president’s escort had more vehicles than the municipality he was graciously blessing with his presence.
By sheer coincidence, I happen to be writing a conspiracy thriller in which a state-of-the-art Canadian bus transporting Pres. Michael Douglas on a tour of Minnesota goes rogue and takes over the government of the United States. Eventually, crack CIA operative Keira Knightley breaks in the rear window and points out to the Canadian bus that it’s now $15 trillion in debt. In a white-knuckle finale, the distraught and traumatized bus makes a break for Winnipeg pursued by Chinese creditors.
Where was I? Oh, yes. Instead of demonstrating the common touch — that Obama is feeling your pain Clinton-style — the motorcade tour seemed an ingenious parody of what (in Victor Davis Hanson’s words) “a wealthy person would do if he wanted to act ‘real’ for a bit” — in the way that swanky Park Avenue types 80 years ago liked to go slumming up in Harlem. Why exactly does the president need a 40-car escort to drive past his subjects in Dead Moose Junction? It doesn’t communicate strength, but only waste, and decadence. Are these vehicles filled with “aides” working round the clock on his super-secret magic plan to “create” “jobs” that King Barack the Growth-Slayer is planning to lay before Congress in the fall or winter, spring, whatever? If the argument is that the president cannot travel without that level of security, I note that Prince William and his lovely bride did not require a 40-car motorcade on their recent visit to Los Angeles, and there are at least as many people on the planet who want a piece of Wills and Kate as do of Obama. Like the president, the couple made do with Canuck transportation, but in their case they flew in and out on a Royal Canadian Air Force transport described as “no more luxurious than a good motor home”: The shower is the size of a pay phone. It did not seem to diminish Her Royal Highness’s glamour.
I wish Governor Perry well in his stated goal of banishing Washington to the periphery of Americans’ lives. One way he could set the tone is by forgoing much of the waste and excess that attends the imperial presidency. Believe it or not, many presidents and prime ministers manage to get by with only a 14-car or even a four-car motorcade. I know: Hard to imagine, but there it is. A post-prosperity America that has dug itself into a multi-trillion-dollar hole will eventually have to stop digging. When it does so, the government of the United States will have to learn to do more with less. A good place to start would be restoring the lifestyle of the president to something Calvin Coolidge might recognize.
— Mark Steyn, a National Review columnist, is author of After America: Get Ready for Armageddon. © 2011 Mark Steyn.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Aug 20, 2011 - 12:16pm PT
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don't mess with texas:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2089503,00.html
the gist: barry's ed sec attacks rick perry's record on education in texas; however, texas students are only slightly behind the national average (not that that's anything to brag about) and "substantially outperform their peers in chicago"--let me repeat, "SUBSTANTIALLY OUTPERFORM"--with less significant margins for minority students (and that's according to time magazine, in case you're starting to type about some right-wing hack machine)
1) arnie makes his criticism without knowing (or in spite of) the facts, typical for a lib
2) as gov, perry is only marginally responsible for student performance, but arnie was the ceo of chicago schools (and i know how you libs feel about ceos), which makes him more directly responsible for student performance
3) texas spends LESS per student than does chicago, once again debunking the lib mantra that more money will improve education
this is not to say that i support perry for pres (i'm undecided) just pointing out another barry fail
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Aug 20, 2011 - 02:06pm PT
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barry grants 106 new waivers (total 1472) to his super new health care plan; again, if it's so great, why would anyone need/want a waiver? and aren't you just a little curious if these waiver recipients--many of whom promoted obamacare--are also donors (i mean besides the numerous unions who were granted waivers)?
btw, these new waivers are good for THREE YEARS as opposed to the previous one-year waivers; of course, barry wants to "be clear" that anyone who was granted a one-year waiver can apply for an extension to last, just coincidentally i'm sure, beyond the next election
and barry promised to end all waivers...in september...so he still has time to secure a few more donations
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/177581-hhs-grants-106-new-healthcare-waivers
ps: barry still refuses to explain the criteria for granting waivers...curiouser and curiouser
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Aug 21, 2011 - 03:12am PT
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Ron Paul: “They’re Setting The Stage For Violence In This Country”
Presidential candidate responds to question about detention camps for civil unrest
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Saturday, August 20, 2011
In a response to a question asked by Infowars correspondent Robert Wanek at Iowa State University during the recent Ames straw poll, Ron Paul said that the federal government was preparing for civil unrest and martial law in the United States.
Paul was asked for his opinion on whether H.R. 645 (The National Emergency Centers Establishment Act) could lead to Americans being incarcerated in detention camps during a time of martial law.
“Yeah, that’s their goal, they’re setting up the stage for violence in this country, no doubt about it,” responded Paul.
The National Emergency Centers Act or HR 645, first introduced in January 2009, mandates the establishment of “national emergency centers” to be located on military installations for the purpose of providing “temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster,” according to the bill.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-theyre-setting-the-stage-for-violence-in-this-country.html
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apogee
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Aug 21, 2011 - 11:26am PT
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I wish Hillary had won.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:31pm PT
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Pole Sucking Republican Politicians actually have one tax increase that they actually support, one that even the very poorest of the working poor will pay. (no surprise right)
I'm not making this up
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-may-ok-tax-increase-obama-hopes-block-124016578.html
WASHINGTON (AP) — News flash: Congressional Republicans want to raise your taxes.
Impossible, right? GOP lawmakers are so virulently anti-tax, surely they will fight to prevent a payroll tax increase on virtually every wage-earner starting Jan. 1, right?
Apparently not.
Many of the same Republicans who fought hammer-and-tong to keep the George W. Bush-era income tax cuts from expiring on schedule are now saying a different "temporary" tax cut should end as planned. By their own definition, that amounts to a tax increase.
The tax break extension they oppose is sought by President Barack Obama. Unlike proposed changes in the income tax, this policy helps the 46 percent of all Americans who owe no federal income taxes but who pay a "payroll tax" on practically every dime they earn......
How naked does the hypocrisy have to get?
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apogee
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:46pm PT
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Oval Office Appeaser
Aug 14, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
Obama likes to think of himself as a successor to FDR. But this former supporter sees a different—and much less impressive—resemblance.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/08/14/barack-obama-as-neville-chamberlain-portraits-in-appeasement.html
When Barack Obama was inaugurated, a Republican president had taken the peace, prosperity, and budget surpluses of the Clinton years and given us two wars, a devastated economy, and an almost trillion-dollar deficit. Obama was going to be our Franklin Roosevelt, our Winston Churchill—a visionary leader who would give America hope again. Instead, he has turned out to be the Neville Chamberlain of American politics, drifting toward national catastrophe, one compromise at a time.
In the 1930s, desperate to keep the peace, Chamberlain caved in to every German demand. And he got war anyway. Let me be clear: the right-wing radicals in control of the Republican Party of course are not Nazis. But Obama is like Chamberlain. A decent man who values peace and civility at any cost, he’s no match for his Republican adversaries.
Chamberlain had a weak hand and played it poorly. Obama had a strong hand and threw in his chips. Immediately after his inauguration, he could have announced a bold effort to put America back to work—not a stimulus, but a recovery. When the Republicans threatened to filibuster, he could have taken his case to the American people and demanded an up-or-down vote to save the country.
Barack Obama
Left: Chancellor of the Exchequer Neville Chamberlain in 1932.; Right: President Obama signs the Budget Control Act on Aug. 2, 2011., Popperfoto-Getty Images (left); Pete Souza / Courtesy of The White House
Instead, Obama meekly allowed the 60-vote super-majority needed to shut off a Senate filibuster to become, for the first time in our nation’s history, an automatic veto. No fools, the Republican minority used that power to block everything. If a vital new program didn’t automatically have 60 votes, Obama wouldn’t even bring it up. It was unilateral disarmament. And so we drifted toward disaster with half-measures forged in back rooms, from the timid stimulus that was a meager Band-Aid, to the timid health-care bill that no one likes, to the timid sellout deals on the deficit.
In the 2010 elections, Obama did another Chamberlain: he betrayed his allies. Desperate not to offend Republicans, he left Democratic values and programs undefended, the Democratic narrative unvoiced. Thousands of Democrats, from Congress to city councils, went down to defeat.
After each betrayal, after each terribly bad bargain, Obama comes out waving a piece of paper, a one-sided agreement to appease the Republicans—peace in our time. And Obama is always surprised when the Republicans, instead of being satisfied when he meets their demands, up the ante—as they did when they held the American economy hostage in the battle over raising the debt ceiling.
Emboldened by Obama’s appeasement, the GOP has set its sights on dismantling government itself. Its long-range goal isn’t to bring down the deficit. It’s to “starve the beast,” to gut the social programs that both parties have forged over the past century. And Obama has compromised so far in their direction that it’s hard to tell where he might stop.
A despair grips America today, a cold fear that our best days are behind us, that we are adrift and powerless. Yes, the Republicans are to blame. But so is a president who treats core American values as bargaining chips, who won’t fight for anything, who refuses to lead. It turns out hope does matter.
Americans aren’t inspired by well-meaning weakness. We like strong leaders, particularly in desperate times. FDR was trapped in a wheelchair and faced far greater challenges than Obama, yet he never gave the impression of being at the mercy of events. He set a course and followed it. He went out and got the votes he needed. So did Reagan. So did LBJ.
Chamberlain did one bold thing. He finally realized he was not the right man to lead Britain in dangerous times. He resigned so that Churchill could take over. There is one bold thing Obama could and should do. He should bow out of the race for reelection and throw his support behind Hillary Clinton—the leader we should have chosen in the first place.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 05:18pm PT
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Libyan rebels reach outskirts of Tripoli
JEDAIM, Libya—Rebel fighters reached the outskirts of Tripoli on Sunday and dissidents claimed they were in control of several city neighborhoods as the six-month-old battle for control of Libya appeared to be hurtling towards its climax.
Rebel leaders in Tripoli said Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi’s compound was effectively surrounded, the rebel flag is now flying from many buildings across the capital and that the opposition is now only waiting for rebel reinforcements to arrive before beginning a final assault.
Anti-Gaddafi rebels, who have spent months quietly organizing for this moment, are now within a mile and a half of Gaddafi’s Bab al-Aziziya compound and are hoping to launch an assault on the headquarters as soon as rebel reinforcements arrive, said an activist who uses the name Tony.
“We’re waiting for our brothers to get here from the west, and if they get here tonight then tonight’s our night,” he said. “We are beating this dog.”
Col. Ahmed Bani, a spokesman for rebel forces in Benghazi, said more than 50 percent of the capital is now in rebel hands. He said hundreds of fighters from Misurata and Zlitan were traveling to the capital by boat to fight along side Tripoli fighters.
But on advice of Republicans who want America to lose something today, rebels were told to pull back when they stopped to drink tea. "That is not the type of tea we drink!" said the leader of the rebel army.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 05:31pm PT
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He's one of us!
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is planning to nearly quadruple the size of his $12-million California beachfront manse.
Romney, a former Massachusetts governor and nominal frontrunner for the GOP’s 2012 presidential nomination, is planning to bulldoze his 3,009-square-foot home facing the Pacific Ocean in La Jolla, Calif., and replace it with an 11,062-square-foot home, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 05:57pm PT
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Rebel leaders in Tripoli said Gaddafi’s compound was surrounded and the opposition was waiting for reinforcements to arrive before beginning a final assault. Reports Gaddafi’s son has been captured.
Of course, again, while Repubs are blathering about the President being on vacation, he is actually taking care of business.
Just like he was at the White House Correspondent's Dinner, while Seal Team 6 was busy in Pakistan.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 21, 2011 - 06:12pm PT
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No, Obama is not beatific, or "the one", or any stupid name that ONLY Republicans give him.
Because NO Democrats have ever called him those names.
No, your "the one" was the TV star John McCain, on Meet the Press 57 times.
WItness the ADORING, SCREAMING crowds that turn out for the real "one", Sarah Palin,
who will be your nominee to run against Obama.
SHE is the real rock star, the One, Repubs can't get enough of her deep intelligence,
her terrific grasp of complex issues, and especially, her opposition to gay marriage.
I have NEVER met a Democrat who adores and worships a Democratic President the way
that Republicans fawned all over Bush. Oh give us tax cuts they SQUEALED in ecstasy!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 06:16pm PT
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DELewes wrote:It's just too painful for some to read this article. Show some mercy, take it down. For the love of God, have you no decency?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/perry-criticizes-government-while-texas-job-growth-benefits-from-it/2011/08/18/gIQAPPZQSJ_story.html
LONGVIEW, Tex. — Texas Gov. Rick Perry has leapfrogged to the top tier of Republican presidential candidates largely on the strength of one compelling fact: During more than a decade as governor, his state created more than 1 million jobs, while the nation as a whole lost 1.4 million jobs.
Perry says the “Texas miracle” rests on conservative pillars that he would bring to the White House: minimal regulation and government, low taxes and a determination to limit the reach of Uncle Sam.
What he does not say is that much of that job growth has come because of government, not in spite of it.
With a young and fast-growing population, a large and expanding military presence and an influx of federal stimulus money, the number of government jobs in Texas has grown at more than double the rate of private-sector employment during Perry’s tenure.
The disparity has grown sharper since the national recession hit. Between December 2007 and last June, private-sector employment in Texas declined by 0.6 percent while public-sector jobs increased by 6.4 percent, according to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. Overall, government employees account for about one-sixth of the workforce in Texas.
The significant role of government in Texas’s relative prosperity stands in stark contrast to the “go-it-alone” image cultivated by Perry, who credits a lack of government interference for fostering a business-friendly environment in Texas.
So here we have the TRUTH about Perry in Texas: Classical Keynesian economics: spending government tax dollars to create jobs in tough economic times to boost the economy. Classic.
So we know now what Perry's economic program will be: Increase goverment spending, expand the government payroll, increase the number of federal employees. EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS DONE IN TEXAS.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 06:26pm PT
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Norton, you are wasting your time.
You know that it is Donald's plan to work with his fellow Repubs to capture the executive back, so that they can give "favored nation" status to China, who loans us so much money. The LIKE to borrow money, you know. They LOVE to TALK about a balance budget amendment, but you'll never see one. You'll see more wars, to ensure their Halliburton buddies have jobs after they retire, and they can REALLY cash in.
Better start learning Chinese. I'm sure Fattrad already has. You think it is an accident that he is giving away a chinese hat as a prize? :)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 06:28pm PT
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My wife just told me Romney's house is 5 block's from ours.
If I see the guy at the beach, anybody want me to tell him anything?
Don't return Elfont's calls. He's calling on behalf of the Chinese Ambassador.
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