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10b4me
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Jan 28, 2015 - 08:41am PT
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We seem to turn a blind eye that the human population in California the past quarter century or so has almost doubled
The only way to stop it is to make living in California uninviting.
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John M
climber
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Jan 28, 2015 - 09:51am PT
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Did anyone notice in the first story Bob linked that one of the farmers complaining said his family moved from the dust bowl of Oklahoma to California. And yet they are blaming the environmentalist. They are losing their farms and that is a sad thing, but lots of people said that area shouldn't be farmed a whole long time ago. Its also interesting and sad to me how numbers can be manipulated, and that people who don't really understand that can also be manipulated.
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CA.Timothy
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California
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Jan 28, 2015 - 10:00am PT
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But the fact there have been significant warmer and drier periods in the distant, pre-civilization past doesn't mean that this one isn't either partly driven or worsened by human-caused global warming.
I don't dispute your point above, however, those long droughts were not in the 'distant' past; that's my point.
Either way, I'd say that trying to definitively answer that question is somewhat irrelevant for the current and near future generations of humans and the environment in the West. Regardless of the cause, if we're entering a longish period of warmer and drier conditions, and we've made economic/resource/planning decisions over the last 100 years based off of wetter, cooler conditions, we and the environment may have some problems going forward.
Water conservation without controlling new users, will never solve the problem. Growth must be curtailed, agricultural growth most of all.
While I agree, I don't see that happening.
Me neither. What will happen is the water will run out and there will be legal wars over who survives and who packs it up and leaves.
I would also subscribe to this. Thank you for all the links and good info people
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Merced's .02" January rainfall was stacked next to the third highest rainfall total for December.
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/local/article8969747.html
Not to worry. The fog helps, but February better see the blocking high depart soon...or else!
The county supes have delayed any vote on regulation of groundwater pumping once more...this has been ongoing, a tacit nod to keep the wells flowing, if you ask me. Connivance of the powers that be with the powers that always have been.
City water's been tasting pretty rank lately, even in a restaurant which serves decent food. I've noticed that a few places have waterless toilets, some have deliberately cut down the flow to the restroom sinks, as well.
Honest citizens abound, as usual, but so do the rats.
We could, I suppose, revert to the days of ale and beer, which was supposed to be a substitute for foul tasting water during the middle ages. But alcohol dries your body out, surprise, surprise, surprise...
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Thanks Bob Harrington - lots of good information in those links.
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WBraun
climber
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Rain is coming!!!!
Get your water buckets out and ready to capture nice water falling from the sky ....
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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Finally, I started a thread that has more than ten posts.
It is raining now, and I am… where am I? Oh yes, In Co Wexford, Ireland. Not my native East Bay. Did I not start this thread by saying that historically California is a land of droughts and floods (until the Army Corps of Engineers, among others, stepped in with the flood issues back in the 1960s).
So El Nino or not to Nino, that is the question.
Now, some 38 million people in California. Am I correct with that? Whoa, when I was born in Walnut Creek (1956), it had about 5,000 people, now it has… a lot more.
Water issues well always be a talking point in places like Central/Southern California. Turn deserts in to Palm Springs.
I have read this thread and gone to the links posted (I should be out climbing, or trying to figure a way to break Jennie out of the nursing home), I see the issue of water, not only in California, as multi-faceted (duh, who gave this dummy a degree?).
It is February (didn't take a genius to figure that out), what is the snow pack like in the mountains? I could go online, but I am lazy and in need of rest. So it is easier to ask Taco Standers.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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a whole lot of wind this morning.
nothing else.
maybe we can start drinking the wind.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, johh m, and patrick, first for asking and then for john providing, as, i too, have been wondering about the snowpack...
seems whenever i see all this snow over here in the mich, onward, area, i think of 'my old dear calif' and see that they have not had much... wondered how it was, as to 'how it should be, etc' stuff...
heard, too, that the rain is coming... let's see how it fairs...
my mom in san jose, hopes to hear a bit of it... most likely
she has by now, if it was enough to wake her up... however, it seemed that
it would NOT be around there, long... :(
thank you each and everyone of you for sharing news and links, thoughts, ideas, and articles and all the tech info...
thank you... trying to 'digest' it all...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say.... just saw this on a weather site...
does anyone know more info on this... or whatever:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Aging-Levee-System-Could-Crumble-in-Quake/290751961
thanks, was just curious, as, i never heard much (when i lived in calif, years ago) about it...
but we were down in san jose, so perhaps it was 'out of sight out of mind'
(though, wow, should not have been) ...
oops, edit:
will check them out, thank you mouse...
i NEVER realized, how this water helped so far, south though... oh my...
though, i did know that large reservoirs, did...
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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None of that rain making it to Salt Lake. Last two days were record highs for SLC, and yesterday was only one degree off the record high for the month of Feb.
Good information on temp/drought trends here:
http://wasatchweatherweenies.blogspot.com/
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Yesterday was remarkable:
In the middle of winter, on the eastern Sierra, there is a huge fire that runs up to the crest of the range, DURING a very significant rain/snow storm.
I don't remember anything like that ever happening!!
I'd imagine it is because all the plants have such a low moisture content.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, ken m... oh my, thank you for sharing...
prayers for all...
i used your quote, to share about this... thank you, again...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, mouse... wow, i did not know there was a quarry... for making stone for these levies... oh my...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I'm happy to recant on my statement at the top of this page and I apologize to the old duck-goat, WBrain.
As to levees, DMT, that's a nutshell, a condensed version. It is enough to prod me into looking at an old thread, t*r's ordinary courage, where I put this reference.
One of the best books on California local history is one by a "real dude"
named William Turner Ellis. His photo in the book proves the man was sharp-dressing,
barber-shop attending, and quite observant.
It is Memories: My seventy-two years in the romantic county of Yuba, California.
Levee wars, mining lore, and how to cope growing up in Yuba.
Therein is the truth about how levees only exacerbate flooding, trading one side of the river for the other as the levees on both sides compete, hoping to spare themselves at the expense of the neighbors over there on the side with the blonde who...
never mind about the blonde...
Read it for yourselves.
http://www.yubaroots.com/history/memories-index.htm
I'm glad to report a big time rainstorm here today and last night.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, DMT... wow, and man oh man... thanks for getting back to me... oh my...
and, see, never in school did we have a clue about any of this 'calif stuff'... though, as i said i was san jose, but still... this is a MID calif that affects more than half the state and we grew up so ignorant, but then, too, as you said:
folks did not know all this, back in my day, THEN:
i married and moved away...
yet, all my family friends and loved-one, live in calif...
(just a few, out)...
my old homeland, is still very dear to me... :(
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! for all this info...
mouse!!! thank you so much, as well...
i will sure have a share with this, with my 'delta friend'...
she has had a fear of this...
now , too, i understand her flood insurance dilemma... etc...
though, i have never understood, folks building in flood zones, :(
but, i think like a mommy, not a 'let's make big business at expense of lives' ...
thank you again, DMT
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