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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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Einstein was Jewish, which is why the people of Israel asked him once to become Israel's second president. Also, Einstein felt uncomfortable with the idea that the Jews are God's favored People.
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise, I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them", said Einstein.
Although, neither Einstein nor his parents were religious people, he did in fact attend the Catholic primary school. But at the age of 12 he was already questioning the truth of the stories written in the Bible. "The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression", Einstein wrote.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:24am PT
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So Norton, you're saying it is sort of like that blogger Cook and his thoroughly debunked 97.1% consensus?
Since Rick Sumner is recycling some of his old claims, I'll recycle a response from the last time he said this.
(Ed H) ...by "debunked" you mean attacked on the blogs...
(Chiloe) Yah, Rick has swallowed those "strenuous blog attacks" I mentioned. That's his way of knowing.
In the real world, no one has come close to showing that Cook et al. are wrong -- probably because they are not. Think they are? It would not be that hard to mount your own counter-study, which none of those blog critics has yet tried.
The ultra-simple approach I mentioned, just scan contents & abstracts of any relevant journal (you choose!) will lead to a similar conclusion. Because it is true, most scientists who study the matter agree that greenhouse gas buildup is changing the atmosphere and hence thermal properties of the planet, with uncertain results that we probably won't like.
Whereas the "Oregon petition" that Rick believes in really has been debunked, the Cook et al. paper has not despite strenuous efforts on the blogs. One problem with debunking Cook seems to be that their conclusion is basically correct, supported by independent lines of evidence. For a real simple do-it-yourself example, see my suggestion above.
What kind of published scientists have their own blogs anyway?
Increasingly many. Picking just a few examples from Rick's own 2.9 percent:
Roy Spencer
Roger Pielke Jr.
Roger Pielke Sr.
Judith Curry
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
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If there's nothing humans can do to roll back the calamity, you may as well be discussing how many angels can sit atop a needle.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
This is what Albert Einstein wrote in his letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, in response to his receiving the book "Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt". The letter was written on January 3, 1954, in German, and explains Einstein's personal beliefs regarding religion and the Jewish people.
The letter states pretty clearly that Einstein was by no means a religious person - in fact, the great physicist saw religion as no more than a "childish superstition". "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this", Einstein wrote.
And from wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein
On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from Joseph Dispentiere, an Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was disappointed by a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious. Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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Dr Hartouni writes:
"Chaz... you forgot about the parts of the climate change that we humans are causing, that part we have control over, it's our choice to do so... and whether of not we do anything, we can estimate the consequences of our actions."
So what do we DO?
It's hard to join on with the "do something" crowd, when we don't know what doing something means.
And how do you propose getting the people who want to do nothing to do something? They get a vote, too.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
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I get especially tickled at the free-marketeer libertarian/austrian clowns like the Blah one, and the "only the free market profit motive can lead us" bile as they post on...oh, the irony of it all, the internet.
Yes, the internet, a product of public sector money far and wide...DARPA, various public Universities, govt grants, etc.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Sep 11, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
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Apparently reading is not something you are particulary proficient at:
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses..."
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 11, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
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The Chief should start his own blog and sell ads. I have some obvious suggestions on what might appeal to his followers.
But for now, have to keep working so I can contribute to his pension. Socialism, I say!!
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Sep 11, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
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Preconceived notions.
Wasn't there a post a few thousand back that the burning of witches was caused by climate change? Poor harvests, hunger, and a belief that witches
who were able to control the weather (in a bad way just to f#ck with people)
The Warmists are the modern day equivalent trying to play on our fears
and fool us into making bad decisions.
Lucky for us their choice of an invisible gas as their 'witch' plays poorly on tv.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Sep 11, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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Abrams. You do yourself little service by posting articles from right wing websites. Do you really think that nobody will check your links?
The other day you posted some drivel from this guy:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/
Just hit the link and see if he sounds like he knows algebra.
Find some anti global warming scientists and post up something real to talk about. Cutting and pasting stuff from loony websites is why this thread is scientifically a waste of time. It is infested with cockroaches.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 11, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
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"Just hit the link and see if he sounds like he knows his algebra"
Base,How would he know what algebra sounds like?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 11, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
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I can understand that Slate has a left side. I post up from there.
But i cannot understand that NASA is lauded as a liberal website.
I know your answer already,but i do not believe it.
And 97% of websites must be "liberal" to you guys.
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Mad69Dog
Mountain climber
Superior, CO
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Sep 11, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
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"Unbias by any means huh BASE?"
Yes, this is why System of a Down was right. Science has failed because dollars and agenda are more important than the core of science - peer review, scientific method, etc. Avoidance of bias.
Has anyone yet compiled a full propagation of error analysis for the global heat budget yet? Audited by whom?
"They've figured out where your man-boobs come from!"
^^^ This is where the science in this thread lives.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 11, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
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Maddog, you know Trenberth from your work with NCAR, right? Why don't you talk to him about it. He can update you on the latest energy budget papers.
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Mad69Dog
Mountain climber
Superior, CO
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Sep 11, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
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"They've figured out where your man-boobs come from!"
^^^ This is where the science in this thread lives.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 11, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
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[^^Mad69Dog edits out his shooting blanks statement^^]
How's this for a blank?
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Mad69Dog
Mountain climber
Superior, CO
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Sep 11, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
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"They've figured out where your man-boobs come from!"
^^^ This is where the science in this thread lives.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 11, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
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Of course you would say that. Apparently you want more. Stay tuned.
Edit: Mad69Dog edits out his 'swing and a miss' and 'can't even guess my gender right' statements.
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