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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 20, 2009 - 09:53pm PT
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Howie/Lois...seems you like to block a lot of things out of that mind of your. :)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 20, 2009 - 10:06pm PT
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HWD: There is no way you are going to get Cali liberals to engage you on how stupid the EPA laws and the strangling of the nations farmers, ranchers, miners and loggers is. They think any given excuse to destroy those groups is OK, and the use of a tiny almost extinct fish or bird to preform the act is just an excuse.
Would that be the same ranchers, farmers, miners and loggers who receive huge money from the federal government and dirt cheap land leases?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 20, 2009 - 10:47pm PT
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Rox wrote: Bob D'A:, If it takes a few millions to allow the owners of vast areas of the US to continue to exist and make other tens of millions in revenue and resources from land that would otherwise make NOTHING, don't you think its sensible to do it? The businesses that get small breaks (or so you think, keep reading) in order that they may keep their businesses running, thereby employing hundreds of other people living close by, keeping entire towns running and hundreds of families living in the area are doing EVERYBODY a favor. The money the Government "gives" is always paid back through their utility and their stability.
Wow...Socialist. Land give-a-ways, below going rates leases, government helping to enhanced citizens lives...WTF is next...public health care.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 20, 2009 - 10:48pm PT
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Skully, come on by for a climbing mission anytime--Dick Cilley flew over from Spain to see what the hub-ub was about and was not disappointed.
Ooops, climbing talk on a politicrap thread, sorry 'bout that:-)
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 20, 2009 - 10:48pm PT
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"HWD: There is no way you are going to get Cali liberals to engage you on how stupid the EPA laws and the strangling of the nations farmers, ranchers, miners and loggers is. They think any given excuse to destroy those groups is OK, and the use of a tiny almost extinct fish or bird to preform the act is just an excuse. "
You're right, they should be able to rape the land unabated.
Wolves rock, Dude.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 20, 2009 - 11:25pm PT
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"Yeah, you shithead wolf lovers can now sit 2000 miles away from a real world, and imagine how great it is, over-run with wolves"
Yep, it's f*#king great Wolf Boy! Wolf haters can lick my sweaty balls.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 20, 2009 - 11:40pm PT
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Rox wrote: Yeah, you shithead wolf lovers can now sit 2000 miles away from a real world, and imagine how great it is, over-run with wolves. While you breathe grey air, drink water treated to remove TCE and oil, and eat food grown 2000 miles away and sent to you frozen in boxes. You done real good city kids. Yuck it up. You are safe. Not a one of us will ever want YOUR life.
Dude no state is run over with wolves...the government pays a handsome price for any livestock killed by wolves.
Again those ranchers with their hands out.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 20, 2009 - 11:47pm PT
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"...the government pays a handsome price for any livestock killed by wolves."
Want a few phone numbers of ranchers with dead livestock that will tell you otherwise, Bob?
Not the kind of folk you want to tell that shite to--you eat what they raise (or try to).
Eat any wolves lately, folks, or just beef?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 20, 2009 - 11:50pm PT
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Mo...don't eat meat.
Cowboys and ranchers...one of the biggest abusers of western public lands.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 20, 2009 - 11:51pm PT
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...and best environmentalists on the planet, along with farmers.
Animal proteins promote brain functions--lay off the veggies and soy, your body will thank you later.
But maybe Monsanto won't...
edit: eat what you want, but leave the wolves to the people that come in contact directly with them--not those that just shoot pretty pics of the lobo:-)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 20, 2009 - 11:58pm PT
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Mo wrote: ...and best environmentalists on the planet, along with farmers.
Right...pesticides, DDT, cattle sh#t everywhere, overgrazing, degradation of public water and if they had their way every wolf would be shot dead.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/interactives/farmaid/
And they have the balls to complain about public healthcare, taxes and welfare.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 21, 2009 - 12:02am PT
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Monsanto--vegetarians and vegans have a savior...
Organics--hah, jump into the 21st century, folks.
edit: Land rich, cash poor, 16 hour work days--you want to live like that, or just go to the grocery store every week?
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho, also. Sorta, kinda mostly, Yeah.
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Sep 21, 2009 - 12:04am PT
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Vegetarians can be delicious, if prepared properly.
Oh, sorry....Thought you said they had a savor.
TMI, maybe.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 21, 2009 - 12:06am PT
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I eat vegans and vegetarians with my bacon and eggs, thank you.
Back to real politicrap, eh?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 21, 2009 - 12:08am PT
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mo..I eat fish..not a big fan of cows.
Everybody hates the government till they have to put their hand out...farmers and ranchers are no different.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 21, 2009 - 12:18am PT
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What a sanctimonious pile ...
That would be your generalization of people who live in cities.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 21, 2009 - 12:22am PT
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Fish with PCBs and plastics, Pigs with god knows what, Beef with steroids, Chicken with...
Eat what you like, leave the growers alone.
BTW--Montana's wolf hunt (and Idaho's) are fixing the wolf population as we speak.
another BTW--a HALF a MILLION dollars per wolf just for the Yellowstone pack that has ventured out of the YNP and into Park, Gallatin, Rosebud, Beaverhead, Jefferson, and Meagher counties (I left some out, it's late).
The wolf "experts" said that they would stay there, due to the amount of easy game available to them. With a range of 200+ MILES, I'd say the experts were dreaming and hopeful wishing, like all wolf lovers.
another, another BTW--YNP wolf numbers were 150 when I lived in Livingston, MT 4 years ago (their population was the combination to some gate locks in the Park)--so y'all do the math on that one.
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