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WBraun
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Oct 14, 2016 - 07:33am PT
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Fools like HFCS and Dr Failed try so hard manipulate and word juggle everything just so they can ultimately eliminate God.
All while simultaneously they are eternally bound to God.
There is absolutely no escape from this absolute fact for any living entity ever period .......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 14, 2016 - 07:52am PT
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lol
"I like the fact HFCS (and plenty of others) are finally getting the 'power of faith.'"
what's with this "finally" business? lol
I've trusted in science, trusted in my climbing gear (to work today like it did yesterday), trusted in my side-view mirror (to report an accurate image/visual field) before pulling a u-turn all my adult life.
As long as you and everyone else understand that the issue is evidence-based trust (faith) and not blind trust (faith) we're good.
As long as you understand this "power of faith" is evidence-based and not blind (Christianity's specialty and touted value) we're good.
As long as you understand I've always "believed" in the biological organism's "can-do spirit" or "can-do" abilities, we're good.
Actually I can understand folks like Craig, eeyonkee and others who are apprehensive/reluctant about using "faith" in its other, nonreligious definitions since it's so easily misconstrued or taken out of context for nefarious/ cynical / political / partisan purposes.
It's a shame that on so many levels we humans cannot get our act together.
hfcs
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 14, 2016 - 07:57am PT
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To purposely strip away someone's genuine, good hearted faith is a terrible thing to do.
That sums it up nicely. Couldn't agree more.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 14, 2016 - 08:04am PT
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To purposely strip away someone's genuine, good hearted faith is a terrible thing to do.
There's no nuance here. Where is the distinction between good and bad forms of this so-called "genuine, good-hearted faith"?
Who thinks the fallwells and benny hinns and osama bin ladens and al-awlakis and all the other Abrahamic supernaturalist bronze age crazies wouldn't say their faith (actually their antiquated, non-evidence-based, blind faith) was not "genuine" or was not "good-hearted" or was not "well-intentioned"?
Abrahamic religious faith makes a mess of it. Just as we see here.
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(1) What is memory, Paul?
(2) To purposely move beyond antiquated blind trust (aka antiquated blind faith) in belief... in the pursuit of best practices in living... is a terrific thing to do.
(3) To purposely move beyond feel-good fictions to actual facts (evidence based) is a terrific thing to do.
(4) To incorporate evidence-based beliefs into one's inner operating system is a terrific thing to do.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 14, 2016 - 08:14am PT
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What is memory, Paul?
I have no idea, but isn't it fascinating as a device that gives us the illusion of containing or halting time?
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 14, 2016 - 08:39am PT
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DMT buddy, I fear that you're falling prey to American Anti-Intellectualism where one groups fancy imaginings is a sacred cow and more valued than reason. There's nothing sacred about fanciful creation mythologies. It's a plague.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 14, 2016 - 09:20am PT
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Speaking of Trump and Trumpkin politics...
Recall Thomas Friedman's piece on Trump's "post-truth" politics.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/opinion/donald-trumps-putin-crush.html
Kasparov’s point cuts to the core of what is so scary about a Trump presidency: Trump is what The Economist has called “the leading exponent of ‘post-truth’ politics — a reliance on assertions that ‘feel true’ but have no basis in fact,” and, sadly, “his brazenness is not punished, but taken as evidence of his willingness to stand up to elite power.”
Who thinks there's more than two degrees of separation? between...
(1) feel true but have no basis in fact... religion/ belief
(2) feel true but have no basis in fact... politics
Food for thought: post-truth politics (vs pre-truth Abrahamic religion)... Presently they seem to mutually support each other.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiufsmxiUiU
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 14, 2016 - 10:35am PT
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You know the story of PT Barnum trying to get customers to leave the side show, they just lingered all day long and he couldn't get more customers in so he changed the exit signs to read "TO THE GRAND EGRESS" and everybody eagerly left. If you despise religion think of it that way, a path that makes the exit a bit less disagreeable for folks through expectation. I just don't see how that's so bad.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Oct 14, 2016 - 11:19am PT
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The study of "Satan" can be informative. For example, Lucifer ,the Son of the Morning Star, occurs only once in the Jewish bible, and there refers to Nebuchadnezzar, a historical figure. Christianity later used this name to signify Satan.
And it is true that to argue about faith or the inerrancy of the Bible, even slightly, with a born-again Christian is to lose a friend. Sad.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 14, 2016 - 11:26am PT
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I reread it. Yeah, I was wrong. I was just teasing. I know that you're solid. I have an all encompassing faith without flaw. No joke. I'm passionately in love with the whole thing. It didn't need to happen and the fact that it did is a brilliant miracle. We are of it without exception or separation. It fills our plates. And, nearly to a man, we all would take another day. It says something.
When I dig at the dogmas , it is merely a challenge of the idea that separates anyone from divinity.
Praise Lord Ultraman
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 14, 2016 - 11:30am PT
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And it is true that to argue about faith or the inerrancy of the Bible, even slightly, with a born-again Christian is to lose a friend. Sad.
Gut wrenching and mortifying at the same time.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Oct 14, 2016 - 11:47am PT
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Living without God is like living like your married and you don't have a spouse, you miss everything, you get the the box and wrappers and no prize inside!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Oct 14, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
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Faith isn't just the domain of religion. As emotional beings, we all use it now and then. As to the word "Faith," here is the definition of it (again, I love wiki):
Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing that is not seen; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief,[1] such as in which faith is confidence based on some degree of warrant.[2][3] The term 'faith' has numerous connotations and is used in different ways, often depending on context.
The root of the word is this:
The English word faith is thought to date from 1200–50, from the Middle English feith, via Anglo-French fed, Old French feid, feit from Latin fidem, accusative of fidēs (trust), akin to fīdere (to trust).[1]
So it is a belief that is not based on evidence.
Even scientists often have a sort of faith, although in principle, it shouldn't happen. They want to believe that their hypothesis is correct, and trust me, they want the experimental results to fit their hard work. That is why we still see scientific malpractice. The worst example was a recent bunch of psychology tests that had fake results. When the experiments were repeated, the results had clearly been altered.
If you believe that all scientists are honest, just read this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/27/study-delivers-bleak-verdict-on-validity-of-psychology-experiment-results
I suppose it is a part of being human. We all have emotions. We like to believe our own ideas. Being right is a huge responsibility in my job. I have to do a lot of work to find something that all of the other geologists, and the ones before me, missed. Testing that hypothesis requires drilling a well, and even the shallow ones cost several hundred grand. A horizontal can run up to 10 million bucks. So you don't want to be wrong, trust me.
I've learned to be clinical about wells. When I was young, a dry hole used to just emotionally crush me. Like a doctor who will certainly lose patients, you have to detach yourself as much as possible, or it will eat you alive. I've seen it paralyze guys to the point that they can't do it, and they go into another field.
I'd say that most scientists want their hypotheses to be proven experimentally. The good ones accept the empirical evidence and move on. You just can't get away with faking results in the Physical Sciences like you can in Psychology or the "soft" sciences. At the least, it is FAR more difficult.
We all remember cold fusion, right? Everyone wanted that one to be right, other than physicists who knew a lot about the topic.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Oct 14, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
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Go-B.....
You know that when we observe the most distant galaxies, the ones that are billions of light years away, that that light took billions of years to get here.
Proof of the age of the Universe, which is several times older than our own solar system.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 14, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
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Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing that is not seen
Not seen means the physical eyeballs.
The living entity can see without the use of its physical eyeballs.
This why the gross materialists can not see God, because they think only their stupid eyeballs
are the only thing that can see.
This is why the gross materialists especially the fool modern scientist remain clueless to reality ......
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Oct 14, 2016 - 04:54pm PT
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Here's a gud one Base...
All's well that ends with wells!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 17, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
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It's a beautiful thing... we're witnessing Islamic reformation in real time...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYjJEHzlV7w
Hundreds of years ago, it took centuries (re: Christian reformation). Because of the internet-driven information age, Islam's pressured to do it in decades.
Go Nasser Al-Dashti!
"I really wish, that Western/European mainstream media would take the time to show the things that he and others like him, are saying. It would change that whole, "ALL muslims are [insert abuse here]" narrative, would help those that are Muslim and want to live in a more secular/humanist way and would probably upset the regressive left who seem hell bent upon taking the blame for everything ever." -Neil, commenter
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Oct 17, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
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Immeasurable Promises / www.davidjeremiah.org
Thus says the LORD: “If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done,” says the LORD.
Jeremiah 31:37
Recommended Reading: Jeremiah 33:24 “Have you not considered what these people have spoken, saying, ‘The two families which the Lord has chosen, He has also cast them off’? Thus they have despised My people, as if they should no more be a nation before them.25 “Thus says the Lord: ‘If My covenant is not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth, 26 then I will cast away the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his descendants to be rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will cause their captives to return, and will have mercy on them.’”
Astronomers estimate the universe to be at least 93 billion light years in diameter—and a light year is six trillion miles. But the universe is expanding. As for the depths of the earth, the deepest part of the ocean is 6.85 miles—and it is nearly 3,959 miles to the center of the earth. So we have barely scratched the surface.
The prophets knew nothing of these numbers. They used the immensity of the universe and the size of the earth as measures of impossibility. When it came to the probability of God going back on His promises to Abraham, Jeremiah said (paraphrasing), “You could measure the universe and depths of the earth before God would go back on His Word. And we know the heavens and the earth cannot be measured.” It turns out that Jeremiah’s pre-scientific analogy was very accurate. Just as there is no end to the universe, so there is no end to God’s loyalty to Israel.
As a follower of Jesus, you are a spiritual child of Abraham. God’s promises of spiritual blessing to Abraham are promises to you as well.
God promises to keep His people, and He will keep His promises.
Charles H. Spurgeon
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 17, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
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Go Nasser Al-Dashti!
Have to agree with that! Just what Islam needs.
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