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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Sep 10, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
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Funny thing: By bringing global attention to Man's effect on the environment, Gore has done more to reduce humanity's carbon footprint than anyone else. So how do you stack up Chief?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 10, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
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I do not care what Chiloe uses or not ,He is a RESPECTFULL participant here.
And since this is all about you,you are not the only one non dependent of energy around here.You may call us /anybody hypocrites for our consumption ,and i know that makes you feel better,BUT,there are many here that are "endeavoring to persevere".
Hypocrites do not try.
Zero landfill,solar [now powering the grid],and Biodiesel in one car and a tdi motor going in the van this week.No FF'S.Self reliant and moving forward.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 10, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
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A well,and raised bed septic.
Not to mention composting.
I have nothing to hide,and im moving soon ,and have to restart the whole thing.
It is not popular ,because its all work.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 10, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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Northern lights
Moving,yes,divorce,yes.
Nothing to hide,dude.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Sep 10, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
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But he sure has filled his pockets with yours and so many other idiots stupidly given funds. Laughing his ass off the entire time
Really? And you have proof of this beyond your own bloviated myopic opinion?
Or is your derision just a manifestation of your jealous impotence to affect anything of consequence beyond the edge of your fenceline?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 10, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
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You should at least do what you are demanding that others do to minimize their CFP.
That's funny Mr. Authoritarianism! I'm not demanding anyone does anything.
But I do think the world would be a better place if others did what I do to minimize their CFP. And I have no doubt it would be a better place if I in turn did what others do to minimize their CFP. I'm all for sharing, hearing about, and implementing CFP reduction tactics.
You live in a sick world man. You should seriously get some help.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 10, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
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cigs? Northern Lights is weed .HA.
Selling the house and downsizing more[read micro].Dont want to afford it either.
Oh,in case you did not know ,i build houses,i would like to profit from them.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 10, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
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The pro CAGW science has been checked. It was found wanting by nature and many tens of thousands of scientists worldwide. There are vanishingly few of it's predictives that have actually come to pass. If this was any ordinary scientific hypothesis its many testing failures would have ejected it long ago to the dustbin of history. This is not a science, it is a religion that is attempting to enforce it's edicts upon the citizenry against their will and to their detriment.All the zealots pretty much sing the same tune- increased and senseless amounts of regulation that does nothing much for safety but lot's to add costs to end use products, renewable energy by not ready for prime time wind and solar that only work intermittently and have no storage system resulting in the need for coal, gas and nuclear plants on standby to pick up the slack, and behavioral modification through taxation. It's always the same.
There has been a lot of legitamate peer reviewed science done in increasing frequency over the last decade. Thousands of scientific papers have been or are in the publication pipeline. On Sept. 17 the NIPCC (Non Governmental Panel on Climate Change) will release its second asessment report-1200 pages of peer reviewed science and summary, that looks at the many natural mechanisms largely controlling the climate, by hundreds of established and well respected scientists working in climate science and/or fields related to it. The hothead warmists will do their best to ignore, marginalize, or demonize this selection of "solid science". But it is too late- the cat is out of the bag and a majority of the people worldwide have awoken to the fact that mainstream climate science is a scam for the perpetuation of big government and big business at the expense of the people. The good people sitting on the fence should look at this upcoming NIPCC report and the other solid science being done in the field.
cheers for blah blah- keep up the pressure of showing the unworkability of the pie in the sky ideas of the zealots.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 10, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
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OK,how do we not become hypocrites Cheif?
Do we degrade the science ,do we blame others ideology ?
How bout manning up? Take some responsibility.
Oh ,but i know the Chinese are not doing anything.
How about leading the way,just like climbing, someone has to follow.
We ,the U.S.A. SHOULD lead.
Divert subsides,grow the energy economy,become responsible.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 10, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
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Bruce somehow i think if you were a capitalist you would move away from communist B.C., maybe just a bit to Alberta.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:00am PT
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I'm returning to AK tomorrow. Never was working on numbers- you must be thinking of somebody else. I do, however, have a large stack of papers, some of which are reconstructions of the medieval warm period and little ice age that your guys spent so much effort to smooth into non existence. I'll start posting links to these.
Yeah, you could mistake that little Hong Kong skyline of Vancouver as capitalist if you didn't know better.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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Was I? Well i've done it before so why not again? See the link below of almost 32,000 american scientists- non believers, deniers, infidels.
http://www.petitionproject.org
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:34am PT
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Good to hear you Norton.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:34am PT
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So Norton, you're saying it is sort of like that blogger Cook and his thoroughly debunked 97.1% consensus? Interviews were done of some of the pro climate change consensus scientists. Five of the 64 or so authors that the distilled consensus was based on responded negatively to being counted among the consensus. I've posted the interviews earlier in the thread.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:57am PT
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Look up "intelligent design" Bruce. I think it is not quite what you would describe as creationism, but i'm solidly in the darwinian camp. I also support abortion, especially post partum for all those doomists of the belief that mankind is a disease upon the planet. If they think we are the problem then they should put the pill or gun where their mouths are by all means. No better place to start the remedy than themselves. The rest of the list sounds sensible.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 11, 2013 - 01:09am PT
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Yes, seems like Robinson is a reputable fellow Bruce, i'm glad we're in agreement. It's a pity that the zealots would be so venomous as to expel all his kids, isn't it? Now about that Cook fellow? Why won't he release all his data? Something to hide that hasn't already been exposed? What kind of published scientists have their own blogs anyway?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 11, 2013 - 01:23am PT
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Nah Bruce. Other than the two previously mentioned items his political ideology seems quite solid. Besides that, as Ed and other pro CAGW scientists on this thread have pointed out, that is not how science is done. Science, alone among all disciplines, is immune from bias as it's practitioners simply go where the evidence leads. If a theory fails testing it is simply sidelined or scrapped as the "purists" pursue other theoretical possibilities that better fits the observed realities. Case in point- Climate Change Science-right?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sep 11, 2013 - 01:36am PT
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Absolutely Bruce- no need to expect bias from them either. Now that we are in complete agreement, i feel i must congratulate you on your conversion to the reality side of the equation.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 11, 2013 - 07:19am PT
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Life is short.
Why waste any more time getting angry and arguing with these dipshits?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 11, 2013 - 10:09am PT
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There isn't enough amodium ad in the world to stop chuff's digital dribbling. Dirtbag is right... leave the idiots alone... it is the only way to make them go away. Every legitimate issue related to this topic has been settled thousands of posts ago. The rest is just splatterings from a few as#@&%es and the associated shock expressed by concerned passersby.
Unless of course you enjoy playing with sputtering as#@&%es... in which case, by all means, give Chuffer the attention he so desperately craves.
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