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Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 14, 2011 - 12:53am PT
The American left is on a downward spiral. This is the end of an era.
The old leftist nostrums are poison to a nation that must compete on the global stage. At long last American liberalism is going the way of every collectivist, socialist scheme of the 20th century. It has been kept alive in this country because of our tremendous private enterprise wealth and prosperity. But even that cannot keep a failure alive forever. American leftism RIP, we cannot afford you any longer.
WTF? You have nothing even remotely intelligent to contribute, which explains your political leanings.

Anyone who needs proof the the intellectual death of the Republican Party should look no further than the results of the Ames Straw Poll: Michelle Bachman gets 28% of the vote.
apogee

climber
Aug 14, 2011 - 02:47am PT





Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 14, 2011 - 09:51pm PT
Here comes the next bubble. Courtesy of our Repub friends, but which is now unsustainable.

"Defense".

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20110814/D9P3TSU00.html

'Doomsday' defense cuts loom large for select 12


WASHINGTON (AP) - For the dozen lawmakers tasked with producing a deficit-cutting plan, the threatened "doomsday" defense cuts hit close to home.

The six Republicans and six Democrats represent states where the biggest military contractors - Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics (GD) Corp., Raytheon Co. and Boeing Co. - build missiles, aircraft, jet fighters and tanks while employing tens of thousands of workers.

The potential for $500 billion more in defense cuts could force the Pentagon to cancel or scale back multibillion-dollar weapons programs. That could translate into significant layoffs in a fragile economy, generate millions less in tax revenues for local governments and upend lucrative company contracts with foreign nations.

The cuts could hammer Everett, Wash., where some of the 30,000 Boeing employees are working on giant airborne refueling tankers for the Air Force, or Amarillo, Texas, where 1,100 Bell Helicopter Textron workers assemble the fuselage, wings, engines and transmissions for the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft.


Billions in defense cuts would be a blow to the hundreds working on upgrades to the Abrams tank for General Dynamics in Lima, Ohio, or the employees of BAE Systems in Pennsylvania.

For committee members such as Sens. Patty Murray, D-Wash., Rob Portman, R-Ohio, and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., the threat of Pentagon cuts is an incentive to come up with $1.5 trillion in savings over a decade. Failure would have brutal implications for hundreds of thousands workers back home and raise the potential of political peril for the committee's 12.

"I think we all have very good reasons to try to prevent" the automatic cuts, Toomey told reporters last week when pressed about the impact on Pennsylvania's defense industry. "That is not the optimal outcome here, the much better outcome would be a successful product from this committee."

The panel has until Thanksgiving to come up with recommendations. If they deadlock or if Congress rejects their proposal, $1.2 trillion in automatic, across-the-board cuts kick in. Up to $500 billion would hit the Pentagon.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 14, 2011 - 10:07pm PT
Can any of the socialist loons post a cogent refutation to a couple of seventeenth century writers?




Waiting!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 14, 2011 - 10:11pm PT
What makes you think we're still in the seventeeth century?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 14, 2011 - 11:57pm PT
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 15, 2011 - 10:57am PT
The American left is on a downward spiral.

Donald Thompson, what American left are you referring to? There is no American left.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 15, 2011 - 11:11am PT
The American left is attempting to make sure

There's no America left.

apogee

climber
Aug 15, 2011 - 12:26pm PT
'Democrats Must Push Back'

Uhhh.....YEAH.... Would've been nice about 2 years ago...

Good luck with that, though. They don't have the will or the spine to do it.

We're all Republicans, now- just depends on how red you want to be.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Aug 15, 2011 - 05:44pm PT
what liberalism hath wrought:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/magazine/the-two-minus-one-pregnancy.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all


"oh, brave new world that has such creatures in't"

"tis new to you"
S.Leeper

Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
Aug 15, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
God help us, I hope we dont have another Republican Texan president!
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 15, 2011 - 08:30pm PT


S.Leeper

Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
Aug 15, 2011 - 08:37pm PT
good one Gary!!!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 16, 2011 - 02:06am PT
So is this who this Perry guy is?

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, making his maiden campaign swing in Iowa after jumping into the race for the Republican presidential nomination, suggested Monday night that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke would be committing an act of treason by printing more money between now and November 2012.

Responding to a question about the Federal Reserve at a campaign event in Cedar Rapids, Perry said: “If this guy prints more money between now and the election, I don’t know what y’all would do to him in Iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas. Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treacherous, or treasonous, in my opinion.”


Gosh, I guess he would exercise his 2nd Amendment remedies to protect the country, I suppose?

Perry’s comments drew a sharp rebuke by some commentators online Monday night. Tony Fratto, a former spokesman for President George W. Bush, tweeted: “Gov. Perry’s comments about Chmn. Bernanke are inappropriate and unpresidential.”

With Republicans sizing up the race’s newest entrant, Perry is beginning to face an onslaught of scrutiny over his record and past statements.

Bernanke was first appointed by President Bush, a Republican

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 16, 2011 - 02:16am PT
Fact checking Rick Perry’s announcement speech
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-rick-perrys-announcement-speech/2011/08/14/gIQAVHbaFJ_blog.html

“Since June of 2009, Texas is responsible for more than 40 percent of all of the new jobs created in America. Now think about that. We’re home to less than 10 percent of the population in America, but 40 percent of all the new jobs were created in that state.”

This is a great-sounding statistic, and likely will form the core of Perry’s campaign against a presidency that thus far has negative job creation.

But, as always, there needs to be some context. The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas has especially promoted this figure, and even it acknowledges that the number comes out differently depending on whether one compares Texas to all states or just to states that are adding jobs. Since Texas is adding jobs, and many other states are losing jobs, Texas’s gains become out-sized in a general national survey.

Texas, as a state rich in oil and national gas, has also benefited from increases in energy prices that have slowed the economy elsewhere in the country. Higher energy prices have meant more jobs in Texas. Though Perry proudly claims the job growth is the result of a low-tax, anti-regulatory environment, others have pointed to a big investment in education in the 1980s that, yes, was the result of a tax increase.

“We’re dismayed at the injustice that nearly half of all Americans don’t even pay any income tax.”

This is an interesting attack line from the governor of one of the nine states with no state income tax. It is also odd because he seems to be suggesting that he would raise taxes, or at least make lower-income people pay a higher share of taxes.

Perry is referring to federal income taxes, but slightly understates the situation. The most recent estimate, by the nonpartisan Joint Committee for Taxation, is that 51 percent of taxpayer units (such as individuals or couples) in 2009 had no income tax liability. However, the most precise way to interpret the data is that 22 percent had no actual income liability, while 30 percent received refundable credits that wiped out what they owed in income taxes.

This analysis, while interesting, lacks context because it does not include payroll taxes (such as Social Security and Medicare.) In fact, the Social Security tax ends once someone earns more than $106,800, so as a percentage of income, that tax falls mostly on the poor and middle-class. (Payroll taxes in general are regressive, while the income tax code is progressive.)

In fact, 75 percent of tax filers pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes. So when income taxes and payroll taxes are combined, the tax burden on the wealthy seems much more fair.

Another way to look at overall taxation is the percentage of federal taxes compared to the overall economy (Gross Domestic Product.). This year federal taxes are estimated to be 14.4 percent of GDP, the lowest level since 1950. (See table 2.3)

“That’s why we reject this President’s unbridled fixation on taking more money out of the wallets and pocketbooks of American families and employers and giving it to a central government. ‘Spreading the wealth’ punishes success while setting America on course to greater dependency on government.”

“Spreading the wealth” refers to a comment Obama made — to “Joe the Plumber” — while campaigning for the presidency in 2008. For what it’s worth, Obama appeared to referring to progressive taxation, meaning people who earn more money pay higher rates of taxes. (His plan would boost rates on higher-income Americans.) This has been a central element of the U.S. tax system since the introduction of the income tax, and the charge at the time by the McCain campaign that Obama was a closet Socialist fell flat.

Perry also speaks rather broadly about his claim that Obama’s “unbridled fixation” to take money “out of the wallets and pocketbooks of American families” since Obama’s proposals have been aimed at the top echelon of American taxpayers — those making more than $250,000 a year. With the exception of such taxes in the new health care law, Obama has been notably unsuccessful in raising these taxes because of GOP opposition in Congress.

“To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan, I realized that the United States of America really is the last great hope of mankind.”

Props to Perry for giving credit where credit is due. Lincoln, in his 1862 State of the Union address to Congress, said, “we shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.” He, of course, was speaking of the Union (against which, incidentally, Texas was fighting a war on behalf of the Confederacy.) Reagan used a variation of this line in many speeches, such as in 1964, when he declared, “We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness.”

What’s interesting is that Perry changed “last best hope” to “last great hope.” We’re not sure of the significance of this shift, unless he is trying to eventually claim the phrase as his own.

“His policies are not only a threat to this economy, so are his appointees – a threat. You see he stacked the National Labor Relations Board with anti-business cronies who want to dictate to a private company, Boeing, where they can build a plant. No president, no president should kill jobs in South Carolina, or any other state for that matter, simply because they choose to go to a right-to-work state.”

Perry is correct that shortly after Obama’s appointees became a majority of the NLRB, the independent agency brought a lawsuit against Boeing for building a plant in South Carolina, a right-to-work state, alleging that it was designed to punish the Machinist union in Seattle and discourage future strikes.

The case has become a political headache for Obama, who in June said, “What I think defies common sense would be a notion that we would be shutting down a plant or laying off workers because labor and management can’t come to a sensible agreement.” But Obama has said the outcome is up to the courts — where most experts expect some sort of settlement.

“We don’t need a president who apologizes for America. We need a president who protects and projects those values.”

Four Pinocchio alert! A variation of this line appears in almost every speech by a GOP candidate for president, but it is completely bogus.

We examined this claim in great detail some months ago, and there is no evidence Obama ever apologized for America. (Some might argue — though we don’t agree — that some of his early speeches had an apologetic tone, but that’s an entirely different matter.) Go back and look at our original column, which includes a number of examples of George W. Bush saying much more apologetic-sounding phrases than Obama.






rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 16, 2011 - 08:17am PT
Perry's major campaign donors in Texas have gotten lucrative government contracts..? What a suprise..! More high-level corruption in the corporate states of America..
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Aug 16, 2011 - 11:00am PT
what liberalism hath wrought:


gm sold 281 volts in february and 125 in july...so what does gm plan to do? INCREASE production to 5000 units/month...that's right, they're going to increase production on a product that isn't selling


this is proof that gm really does stand for "government motors"
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 16, 2011 - 02:20pm PT
bookworm
go back to your books
You can complain, fairly, about whether or not the gummint should have bailed them out.
You can't argue with their current success, making a profit for the first time in 7 years.
On February 24, 2011, General Motors reported its first full-year profit since 2004. It can carry forward previous losses to reduce tax liability on future earnings. It earned $4.7 billion in 2010. The Wall Street Journal estimated the tax break, including credits for costs related to pensions and other expenses can be worth as much as $45 billion over the next 20 years.
Sure they screwed up the Volt. Which was designed long before Obama became President.
The production design model officially unveiled on September 16, 2008
Both quotes from Wikipedia

fattrad......drawing erroneous conclusions again.
Clinton's lowest approval rating was 37% in '93 and he was re-elected. Reagan's was 35% in '83 and he was.......go ahead, fill in the blanks
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Aug 16, 2011 - 03:30pm PT
Some possible republican slogans:
 Unemployment creates jobs
 Lies create truth
 Money from the poor to the rich creates wealth
 Follow jesus, get a gun
 Guns create peace
 Death creates life
 It's all a circle, western democracy has come to an end (read Untergang des Abendlandes), support the republican party who will start the next circle based on the bible, God, guns and creative design
 At the core of Christianity you find "every man for himself and the republican party"
 Support the republican party in the crusade for more freedooom, less influence
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 16, 2011 - 03:35pm PT
More GOP mottoes:
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

And yes, Donald. Unemployment insurance does create jobs, or at least helps maintain jobs. That is, if you think it through. I know, thought is not a GOP voter strong suit.

Unemployment should be like the WPA, though.
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