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shut up and pull
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Sep 19, 2009 - 10:51pm PT
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Its amazing. The climbers I grew up with DESPISED the government, with its regulations and rules that cut totally against the grain of independence and personal responsibility.
Nowadays, most climbers are the opposite. They actually like government involvement in their lives, or at least government involvement in the lives of people they think they are helping.
Wow. What a difference a generation, and a two decades of hard-left education, makes and what it will do to a once-proud populace.
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shut up and pull
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Sep 19, 2009 - 11:02pm PT
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What is remarkable is that climbers, generally, are well-educated, strong, ethical, and not prone to whine about how they need social welfare to get through life. And yet -- despite these admirable character traits, whcih are basically conservative values -- they vote for liberal lets-make-as-many-people-dependent-on-government-as-possible Democrats.
I. Just. Do. Not. Get. It.
One theory I have is that these folks live with a tremendous amount of guilt inside them -- taught to them over years through our leftist education system -- and feel that SOMETHING must be done to alleviate poverty, or racism, or some other social ill. So, they latch on to the easy, quick fixes to these problems -- like handing the poor money with no strings ... what could be wrong with that? Or giving blacks or other "minorities" benefits based on their skin tone -- what could possibly be the harm in that?
But we know the harm these policies create -- dependence on a faceless, uncaring government that robs the individual of his own self worth.
Dependence on others is usually reserved for children and the mentally ill, and even the liberals I know will frown upon adults in their own lives that live off of others. Yet why do these same liberals, who basically have conservative values, vote for, and support, policies that make millions dependent on others, i.e., the government? Why do liberals, who rightfully scorn those adults who mooch and leach off of others to get by, support government policies that encourage people to do the same?
Again, my own theory is that liberals live with a huge amount of guilt, and supporting these social welfare policies is an easy way to feel somewhat alleviated of that burden, despite the terrible effects these policies have on the populations the liberals feel so guilty about.
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shut up and pull
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Sep 19, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
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A CLASSIC EXAMPLE:
Most liberals I know love to rant and rave about how bad it is to feed the bears in Yosemite. Why? Because it makes the bears dependent on man for his food, and it basically denegrates this once-wild animal to being nothing more than a beggar.
And yet, these same compassionate liberals do not apply that same logic to human beings. Why not? Why do liberals believe that it is not right to make bears dependent, but think it is ok for government to make people dependent on government?
Again -- libs -- you make no sense.
Do liberals care more about bears than people? Their policies seem to indicate so.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 19, 2009 - 11:44pm PT
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SUP you are the dumbest sack of warts I have ever had the misfortune to encounter.
Do you really believe the bile that endlessly sputters out of your pie hole?
No wonder you post from the safety of anonymity.
Jimmy Carter a rascist? My God man you are blowing idiot wind. To quote Dylan, "It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Sep 20, 2009 - 12:31am PT
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SUP says,"I. Just. Do. Not. Get. It."
Truer words were never spoken.
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shut up and pull
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Sep 20, 2009 - 01:39am PT
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Ok -- here we go again. Jimmy Carter was at least a racist a few years back:
This is drawn from A Voting Rights Odyssey by Laughlin McDonald, director of the ACLU's Voting Project:
When Carter returned to Plains, Georgia, to become a peanut farmer after serving in the Navy, he became a member of the Sumter County School Board, which did not implement the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision handed down by the Supreme Court. Instead, the board continued to segregate school children on the streets of Carter's hometown. ...
Carter's board tried to stop the construction of a new "Elementary Negro School" in 1956. Local white citizens had complained that the school would be "too close" to a white school. As a result, "the children, both colored and white, would have to travel the same streets and roads in order to reach their respective schools." The prospect of black and white children commingling on the streets on their way to school was apparently so horrible to Carter that he requested that the state school board stop construction of the black school until a new site could be found. The state board turned down Carter's request because of "the staggering cost." Carter and the rest of the Sumter County School Board then reassured parents at a meeting on October 5, 1956, that the board "would do everything in its power to minimize simultaneous traffic between white and colored students in route to and from school."
Now -- lets see -- if a Republican had this kind of past, I think you libs would be hanging it round his neck at every opportunity.
Do any of you have any sort of cogent response to my observations of liberals? Namely, that they encourage dependence on the government for others, yet don't really believe that this is a good idea in their own lives?
Just asking.
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shut up and pull
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Sep 20, 2009 - 01:42am PT
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Fat -- you know, I think it is easy to believe that, but emperically I dont think it is true. The sorry picture of the wandering on-the-dole Brit climber will most likley not happen here in any great numbers since most climbers, deep down, don't think it is right to be a societal parasite.
Unfortunately, most climbers vote for the create-more-parasites party. How subconsciously frustrating it must be for these internally conflicted folks to live knowing that they don't live like they believe.
It is just plain immoral for any kind of person in a policy leadership position to encourage individuals to be more dependent on government largesse. Unfortunately, we have the Dems, and a large part of the Republicans, that do just that. Sad, sad, sad.
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shut up and pull
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Sep 20, 2009 - 01:49am PT
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Carter and the rest of the Sumter County School Board then reassured parents at a meeting on October 5, 1956, that the board "would do everything in its power to minimize simultaneous traffic between white and colored students in route to and from school."
Gee - do ya think Jimmah was trying to keep the races separate down there in Georgia? Reminds me of another liberal Dem warhorse, who was a KKK Grand Wizard -- Dem Senator Robert Byrd.
Can you imagine if Republicans had this kind of history? Oh -- I forgot -- when liberals are proven racists (e.g., Rev. Wright, Van Jones, etc.) we are all supposed to look the other way. Gotta remember that.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 20, 2009 - 01:53am PT
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SUAP wrote: "Why do liberals believe that it is not right to make bears dependent, but think it is ok for government to make people dependent on government?
Again -- libs -- you make no sense.
You live in a cave, SUAP? Drink spring water from a crik and eat wild locust and honey?
Don't think so.
From the roads you drive to the justice you enjoy to the social order you depend on to the curiosity you have over this debate -that's all the work of "government." Of course there is no "government" in abstaction of people, so you could argue that "people" are providing the civilization we enjoy, but without a system, us people tend to wander.
The proto-cowboy self-reliance you are pipe dreaming about actually having as a virtue is in fact the worm that turns in every addict and drunk the world over. And that's a plain fact.
JL
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 20, 2009 - 01:58am PT
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So a Democrat and a Republican walk into a bar.
The Demo orders a nice pint, and the Repug orders a Big Mac.
I don't get it either, I just made that up. Pretty stupid, isn't it. Good heavens, I think I am turning into a Repugnut.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Sep 20, 2009 - 02:10am PT
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Our national park system is run by the government...would you rather have Yosemite Valley unprotected and El Cap become a rock quarry? Im sure someone would try if we let them. Let freedom ring right?
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tonesfrommars
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Sep 20, 2009 - 03:40am PT
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SHUT UP AND PULL your head out of your ass.
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dirtbag
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Sep 20, 2009 - 05:58am PT
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Nice work Radical.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 20, 2009 - 11:29am PT
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Make you wonder just how stupid SUP is...he posting on a somewhat left leaning forum and he thinks he is making some headway.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 20, 2009 - 11:40am PT
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Radical writes:
""What would make you think things would be any worse in "a predominatly African American area" than in an area populated by non-blacks?""
"You can't figure it out??
Then you are a f*#king idiot.. "
This may come as a surprise to you, Radical, but black people are no different from non-black people.
If you actually had black friends, you would understand this.
Expecting black folks to respond differently to a situation than non-black people would is a racist attitude, plain and simple.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 20, 2009 - 12:11pm PT
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Why pay all that attention to a guy with all kinds of problems, like Beck, Riley?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 20, 2009 - 12:52pm PT
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You'd be surprised if you really knew how widespread the use of alternative healing methods are among "right wingers".
Go get out among the "right wingers" and you'll see.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 20, 2009 - 12:58pm PT
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Either SUAP is one of the most stupidest and ignorant posters on the Taco Stand, or he/she is a supreme Troll.
I opt for the former. But mind you, I did not write the most stupidest and ignorant, as there are several other Supertopians who can vie for that title.
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