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apogee
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Aug 11, 2011 - 04:41pm PT
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 11, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
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This may be his defining moment:
Reporting from Des Moines— Campaigning in Iowa on Thursday, Mitt Romney told a heckler, “Corporations are people, my friend”—words immediately seized upon by Democrats in what they termed as a possible defining statement by the presidential candidate.
This definition, by the Supreme Court, has not only outraged liberals, it has outraged traditional conservatives, who view it as a usurpation of human rights by gov't. It just feels wrong to equate a company with a person, and have that be defined by a gov't legal entity. Where does it say that in the Constitution? What law was passed that said that? When did we vote on that? Where did it say that in the Federalist Papers?
This is going to receive wide circulation, and is going be thrown in his face in debates. It reinforces his "slick" appearance, that he is about to fleece us all out of something. People don't like that.
He is about done. This is his "Howard Dean" moment.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 11, 2011 - 09:39pm PT
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Yes, TGT, the economic reality rears its head. Despite the best efforts of the GOP to drive America into the ditch:
The stock market took a breather from its weeklong downhill tumble Thursday to make one of its largest advances ever.
After wild gyrations in its final minutes, the Dow Jones industrial average finished up 423 points, or 3.9%, to 11,143. The largest gain in history happened on Oct. 13, 2008, when the Dow gained 936 points.
The S&P 500 closed up 51 points, a 4.6% increase. The Nasdaq is up 4.7%, or 111 points, to 2,493.
Earlier in the day, the Labor Department said 395,000 people applied for jobless benefits, the lowest level since April. Hopeful investors translated the report as a sign that the economy might not be heading toward a double-dip recession.
Thursday's close was a stunning reversal of the Dow's 519-point plummet on Wednesday. Wall Street has had a suspenseful week as the market's reactions to the nation's credit downgrade and a European debt crisis veered between fear and faith.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/08/markets-close-up-in-major-gain.html
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 12, 2011 - 12:51am PT
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/12/world/middleeast/12israel.html?hpw
Protests Force Israel to Confront Wealth Gap
TEL AVIV — They are mainstays of the society pages and glossy magazines. Some are praised for the hospital wings they have built, others are gossiped about for their quirks.
Thousands of Israelis gathered in Tel Aviv last week to protest the rising cost of living as well as social and economic inequality.
But these days, the handful of wealthy families who dominate the Israeli economy are assuming a new role: one of the chief targets of the tent-city protesters who have shaken Israel in the past month.
The “tycoons,” as they are known even in Hebrew, are suddenly facing enraged scrutiny as middle-class families complain that a country once viewed as an example of intimate equality today has one of the largest gaps between rich and poor in the industrialized world.
The tent-city protesters, who have shifted the public discourse by demanding affordable housing and other essential goods, issued a document this week calling for a new socioeconomic agenda. Topping their goals: “minimizing social inequalities.”
“What is keeping people on the streets is the question that if we are all having a hard time and we are all working and paying taxes, who is making the profits?” said Daphni Leef, the 25-year-old filmmaker who began this protest movement with a Facebook posting and remains at its center. “We know there are certain families that have a lot of money and a lot of influence and there is no transparency. People feel deceived.”
**Those families — the Ofers, the Dankners, the Tshuvas, the Fishmans and others — account for the 10 biggest business groups in the country and together control some 30 percent of the economy. They will doubtless be among the targets at another set of street demonstrations planned for Saturday night.
“It is becoming clearer to more and more people that this issue of concentration of wealth has become more important,” said Einat Wilf, a legislator who submitted a bill last year aimed at tackling the issue. “As a result of the protests, there is much more political will to fight it than in the past.”**
Does this sound familiar? The social fabric of Israel is breaking down, because the wealth of the country is being concentrated in the hands of a very few people? Exactly what is happening in the US!
Watch what happens! Israel is a country of smart, educated, liberal people. They are activists. And they are armed. Every one of them. They are on the move. They control the economy. The Tycoons cannot simply move out and take their holdings to other contries. They are too visible.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 11:23am PT
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"A Standard & Poor’s director said for the first time Thursday that one reason the United States lost its triple-A credit rating was that several lawmakers expressed skepticism about the serious consequences of a credit default — a position put forth by some Republicans."
"Without specifically mentioning Republicans, S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that “people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default,” Mukherji said."
Well, obviously the S&P guy doesn't know what he's talking about. That's not why S&P downgraded us.
Bachmann spent much of the debate restating, in strong terms, her opposition to raising the nation's debt ceiling; she was critical of the deal reached earlier this month on Capitol Hill. She contended that the downgrade given the nation's credit rating earlier this month by Standard and Poor's vindicated her view.
"I was proved right in my position," Bachmann said.
Obviously, she's not dealing with reality.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 12, 2011 - 04:37pm PT
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More self-loathing closeted GOP homosexual hypocrisy:
"An Indiana state Representative, who recently voted for a constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriage, has been accused of using Craigslist to offer an 18-year old male $80 for "a couple hours of your time tonight" plus a tip "for a really good time."
The Indianapolis Star obtained e-mails sent from Rep. Phillip Hinkle's (R) publicly listed personal address, responding to a Craigslist posting by Kameryn Gibson that said "I need a sugga daddy." Gibson told the Star that the post was in the "Casual Encounters" section under m4m, or men for men. He used his sister Megan's e-mail address -- and she later sent the e-mails to the Star.
"Cannot be a long time sugar daddy," says the e-mail response from what is allegedly Hinkle's address, "but can for tonight. Would you be interested in keeping me company for a while tonight?"
"I am an in shape married professional, 5'8", fit 170 lbs, and love getting and staying naked," the e-mail says.
Another e-mail says: "If u want to consider spending night u might tell ur sis so she won't worry. Would have u back before 11 tomorrow. No extra cash just free breakfast and maybe late night snack."
The Star reports:
The young man told The Star that they met, but that he tried to leave after the man told him he was a state lawmaker. He said the lawmaker at first told him he could not leave, grabbed him in the rear, exposed himself to the young man and then later gave him an iPad, BlackBerry cellphone and $100 cash to keep quiet.Gibson had his sister pick him up, who says that she then received a number of calls, and one was from a woman who claimed she is Hinkle's wife. "I was like, 'Your husband is gay,'" Megan Gibson said. "And then she was like, 'You have the wrong person.'" When Gibson reportedly read back the e-mail address used for the Craigslist ad, the woman asked her not to call the police.
Megan Gibson told the Star that later that evening she went back to the JW Marriott to show Hinkle's daughter the e-mails. She soon after received another phone call from the woman claiming to be Gibson's wife, who offered her $10,000 not to tell anyone. Still another call came from Hinkle himself later, and she told him what she had told his family members. "You just ruined me," she says Hinkle responded.
Hinkle did not deny the e-mails in response to the Star's request for comment, but said: "I am aware of a shakedown taking place." He did not elaborate on what "shakedown" meant, nor did his attorney."
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Aug 12, 2011 - 05:34pm PT
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hope (2008):
"I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment--this was the time--when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals."
and change (2011):
"You deserve better than you've been getting out of Washington over the last 2½ months--for that matter, for the last 2½ years."
oh my, if barry has lost barry, then...well, you know the rest
irony alert: barry began his 2008 speech with this remarkable non sequiter: "I pride myself on my humility"
this is fun...from former enron adviser paul krugman in 2008:
"The response to the economic crisis is, in itself, a chance to advance the progressive agenda."
former enron adviser paul krugman in 2011:
"You know what's really irresponsible? Hijacking the debate over a crisis to push for the same things you were advocating before the crisis, and letting the economy continue to bleed."
btw, what does former enron adviser paul krugman advise doing, now?
"What would a real response to our problems involve? First of all, it would involve more, not less, government spending for the time being--with mass unemployment and incredibly low borrowing costs, we should be rebuilding our schools, our roads, our water systems and more. It would involve aggressive moves to reduce household debt via mortgage forgiveness and refinancing. And it would involve an all-out effort by the Federal Reserve to get the economy moving, with the deliberate goal of generating higher inflation to help alleviate debt problems."
oh, the irony...
and this timely conclusion from the "unnecessary research study" category:
"Narcissists Rise to the Top Because People Mistake Their Confidence and Authority for Leadership Qualities"
c'mon, libs, admit it, how many of you really believed barry could control the rise of the oceans?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 06:20pm PT
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FDR did nothing for the Jews.
Comrade fattrad, maybe not "nothing", but yeah, basically it was Stalin and the Soviet Red Army that saved the Jews by destroying Nazi Germany.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YLMcXERbN4
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 06:27pm PT
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Comrade fattrad's hero:
Marshal Georgy Zhukov
Strange world, huh, tovarich?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 06:51pm PT
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FDR personally trying to send my friend to the gas chamber
The US government passively if not actively refused entry to the refugees on the St. Louis, in the summer of 1939. (So did the Canadian government.) Before the war started in September, and nearly two years before the US entered the war. The rhetoric and actions of the Nazis towards the Jews were by then fairly clear, but no one then imagined the gas chambers, or the devastation to be wrought in central Europe by the Germans. It seems very unclear as to whether Roosevelt was involved in the discussions as to what to do about the St. Louis, although he must have known about it.
Another FatTrad exaggeration, or if you like distortion. It seems most accurate to say that a government which was led by Roosevelt applied US immigration law as it then stood (quite racist), when it might have shown flexibility - knowing that the vessel and its refugees might have to return to Europe, and that they might be exposed to Nazi persecution as it was then known.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 08:17pm PT
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fattrad, Count Bernadotte helped the Jews, and what did that get him? Israeli terrorists assassinated him!
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 08:42pm PT
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It means you can't pick and choose who you make excuses for, tovarich.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 12, 2011 - 09:09pm PT
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jghedge,
Funny how you're not commenting on FDR personally trying to send my friend to the gas chamber. FDR is/was a piece of trash.
The evil one
As for the Repubs that advocate that any Chinese immigrants that apply to stay on the basis of persecution in their homeland.....should be kept in gitmo, and treated as the enemy and not allowed on US soil....or thrown back to China.....how is that different?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 12, 2011 - 09:31pm PT
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You have strange ideas Jeff. How many different times have you said " its their problem" when we have talked about the different genocides that have occurred in the last 10 years. You do realize that there have been multiple genocides in the last 10 years don't you?
America was trapped in an isolationist attitude. Jews were turned away because of strict immigration policies. Policies you support.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 13, 2011 - 11:58am PT
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"Typical woman: show up late and fold under pressure," he said. "You really want that as president?"
What GOP candidate could he possibly be referring to?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 13, 2011 - 11:08pm PT
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Or reality, or obviously knowing nothing about history, economics and business,
The pot calls the kettle.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 13, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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The pot considers the founder of Sociology, and any other American founder, philosopher, economist that brings to lie his utopian fantasies,
"Wingnut opinion blogs"
Tell me now which blogs were De Tocqueville and Bastiat writing for in 1835?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 13, 2011 - 11:46pm PT
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Have you read his book Ricky?
All 700+ pages?
What did you think of it?
How about Bastiat's little paper ?
Show us the error of his ways now?
Did De Tocqueville get it wrong about Britain in his "Memoir on Pauperism"?
Explain it for us now?
does one capital D mater or does obsession on it only prove your own poverty?
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